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M.Mc.
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 4:46 pm: | 
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Andrei Chikatilo Russia's Citizen X. In 8 years he killed 52 victims. They had been raped and mutilated. The young victims who took the train. While the case was caught up in Russian red tape, the slaught went on. All because Russia did not want to have the world know it had a problem found mostly in the USA. If by chance you find the HBO movie staring Donald Sutherland. My advice is to get it. Here are some links to check out...
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/chikatilo/coat_1.html
http://www.geocities.com/woodenspoon.geo/horror52.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/chikatilo_mo.htm |
AP Wolf
Chief Inspector
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 859
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 3:52 pm: |
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Watch out for Chikatilo - he sounds like a chewing gum doesn't he? - as he was one of those killers who did the magical transfer bit, much like Chase and Pitchfork, and I for one do not believe that 'rape' ever took place.
I also do strongly feel that the Russian police took every unsolved murder they had on their books and threw it in the path of the deeply insane and slow moving Chikatilo.
I've watched his trial many times and I think towards the end he was confessing to the extinction of the dinosaurs and the murder of JFK.
Chikatilo was a homicide detective's dream come true. |
M.Mc.
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 4:48 pm: |
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Well I believe you make a good point about the Russian police. No I think you make a GREAT point about the Russian police. I believe he killed many but like you said, they may have tacked a few onto his file he didn't kill just to close cold cases. They put the guy into a cage in the court room. Like what did they think he was going to kill someone in the court room?
 Aw, the Russian's don't do things without drama do they? Usually just to make a point to others. Thanks for the post I wasn't sure anyone would notice I put it up here.  |
Dan Norder
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| | Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 1:47 am: |
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Actually, I don't think Chikatilo was insane at all. A lot of psychopaths decide to play crazy after they were caught to try to gain sympathy, play the system, get more attention and so forth. Strange how he was perfectly sane and rational in his family life and when caught and leading the police to the crime scenes but went all ranting and raving later. So very convenient.
I'm not sure why AP thinks no rape happened, as sexual satsfaction was clearly his primary goal. But then AP pretty much doesn't believe most examples of killings caused by drastic deviant sexual feelings.
Chikatilo is a nice example of an organized killer who defies most of the modern myths about serial killers. He was older than the standard profile would suggest, married, carried on for decades, killed males and females, etc.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Rostov Ripper is one of the cases to study if you want to wrap your mind around the potential of what Jack the Ripper may have been like. After all, he tricked casual prostitutes (and others) into leaving with him and then killed and mutilated them, often taking parts... which he ate. |
M.Mc.
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 6:42 pm: |
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Dan,
I'm sort of confused by some of your post. Most the "insain" remarks. I think you might have misunderstood that I was picking on the Russain court for putting Chikatilo in a cage in the court room. I agree with you that the word "insain" is too harsh for this man as well as JTR. More like they let their anger, sexual problems and/or other problems take over. There are people who cut themselfs for what they call "release" I'm not sure what the heck they mean by that. However a muti-killer gets their "release" by taking others lives. Most of the time killings such as these are sexual. Other killers such as the "Zodiac" I believe killed the couples and the tax driver out of more hate than anything else. After reading his letters he seem to hate everything in the world around him. Part of the Zodiac's problem seems to be sexual but there is more to it than that. Unlike Jack the Ripper who just killed hookers. The Zodiac killed lovers and a taxi driver. The lovers had to do with his sexual problems and problems with women period. While killing the taxi driver it's clear was more of his other problems. Also threating the school kids on the bus pretty much tells us this man hates any type of love. He knew people who didn't even have kids would be upset by these threats. Everyone was afraid they would be his next targets. He put fear in everyone and that's what he wanted. I think Chikatilo was a bit like the Zodiac in the fact his targets rode the trains. I do however have to agree that the law in Russian likely added some cold cases on to his tally just so they could wrap everything up in one big package. Makes since to me since that's been Russia's MO for a long time. They have become better in the human rights camp but they still have a long way to go. |
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