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Philippe Elias
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 11:05 pm: | 
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Ok, let's figure it... you are in 1910 and somehow Jack The Ripper is "retired" - whoever he was.
And you found it out while you were collecting clues and answers about JTR and he invited you to a "cup of tea".
What you would ask him now?
I mean... do you feel anger, disrespect or any negative feeling? Would try to harm him? Or would you "adore" him?
Don't misunderstand me... what kind of questions would you ask him? "Why", "when", "how", "who", "where", etecetera...
-I'm sorry for any english mispelling, it's just a curious brazilian boy invading your message board... |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2036
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:49 pm: |
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Geez,
i hope none of us adore him....
"Uncle Bulgaria,He can remember the days when he wasn't behind The Times"
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Phil Hill
Inspector
Username: Phil
Post Number: 199
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 1:15 pm: |
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Personally, I'd go along with the police in tow to see him arrested and tried. the questions would be asked in court.
I'd absolutely hate it, to see JtR lionised, made a celebrity of, be the subject of a personality cult, or even regarded with interest as himself.
Dead he can be studied without any danger that he can secretly bask in some perceived glory related to his crimes.
Whoever he was, tragic though he might have been (if insane) what he did was loathsome and horrible.
Phil |
Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 562
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 1:21 pm: |
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I would definitely not take tea with him. I am a middle aged woman. I'm ready to die but not that way. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 4254
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 1:31 pm: |
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"Can I have your knife? It'll make a fortune on Ebay." 
Robert |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3304
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 2:34 pm: |
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Robert
Good one.
All the best
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Jane Coram
Inspector
Username: Jcoram
Post Number: 351
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 3:09 pm: |
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Hi All,
I would ask him where the knife drawer was and did he had a padlock on it...............
Jane
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Poorhoney
Police Constable
Username: Poorhoney
Post Number: 8
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 7:03 pm: |
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"Why the number 39, Joe?" 
Poorhoney
Punxsutawney Phil is a groundhog!
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Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 564
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 9:43 pm: |
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I changed my mind. I would place a tire rim around my neck which would make me look somewhat odd. I would go armed with a tazer and a can of mace, possibly also a large rolling pin. I would carry a metal garbage can lid in front of me like a shield. As I squirted, conked and zapped, I would think of the victims. When finished I would call up George Abberline and tell him I had a little present for him. |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3311
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 10:09 pm: |
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Ouch, Poorhoney... don't go there! 
All the best
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Lonely Guy
Police Constable
Username: Lonelyguy
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 2:59 am: |
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Perhaps I would ask him who his accomplice was....
catch me if you can
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zxcter
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 6:09 pm: |
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I'd asked him where is the way to the train station. |
Joan Taylor
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 1:33 pm: |
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I would take tea with him at length. There's an explanation for everything. |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2221
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 4:12 am: |
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Tea??????????????? Gosh shame I seem to have mislaid my handkerchief!!
Suzi |
Carolyn
Sergeant
Username: Carolyn
Post Number: 35
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 5:53 am: |
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Maybe, I would ask him about his mother!
Ha Ha!
Carolyn |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2222
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 3:18 pm: |
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I'd ask his Mother to nip up to 'Ringers'!!!!! LOL
Suzi |
Dustin Gould
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 11:51 pm: |
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"Jack" was a person (man or woman, we really can't say for sure), who not only murdered women, but went above and beyond the call of duty, to perpetuate every possible indignity to them, on top of taking their lives. Needless to say, this is not someone I would hold in high esteem. Nor would I sit down to tea with him, and question him about the five "W's".
At least not privately, anyways. |
Sarah Johnson
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 11:07 pm: |
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Personally i'd go up to him..."dude can you like give me an autograph" Later on start thinking to myself, "man, in about 100 years I can get a killer amount on ebay for this" Sorry couldn't resist 
The thing I find freaky is that there are still descendents of JtR out there. I don't know why but that has always creeped me out. |
Phil Hill
Chief Inspector
Username: Phil
Post Number: 569
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 10:56 am: |
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Not if Kosminski or Druitt were Jack there aren't!! |
M. Allen
Police Constable
Username: Mallen
Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 2:37 pm: |
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I would ask him exactly how many women he killed.
Were the known victims the only ones?
Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops.
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Carolyn
Detective Sergeant
Username: Carolyn
Post Number: 120
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 2:54 pm: |
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M. Allen,
Nobody knows for sure, but there is plenty of material here on the boards dealing with that very question. Answer varies according to who you talk to. You have opened up a whole can of worms! Happy reading.
Cheers,
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Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 568
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 3:31 pm: |
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Phil,
I'm not about to cast aspersions on people's character, but while you are probably right about Aaron we really can't be sure about our Mr. Druitt, can we? Instead of the oft-suggested little boys, it might well have been serving girls he couldn't keep his hands off.
In the spirit of considering all possibilities,
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Phil Hill
Sergeant
Username: Phil
Post Number: 18
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 1:37 am: |
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My assertion had nothing to do with Druitt's homosexuality (which if you read my posts elsewhere, you'll find I believe unproven).
My point was simply that M J Druitt had no LEGITIMATE issue. So it would be difficult/impossible for anyone to know that they were decended from him.
If some illegitimate descendent (on the other hand) has proof of his ancestry then that would contitute important new evidence about MJD would it not?
Why complicate things, Don. Druitt was almost certainly without issue because he did not marry.
Phil |
Angel
Sergeant
Username: Angel
Post Number: 23
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 2:31 am: |
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I would ask him (assuming it is a him) when and why he retired.
There is no such thing as right or wrong - only places to stand.
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Kane Friday
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 5:14 am: |
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What would I say to Jack?
"Say cheese"
Kane
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Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 571
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:39 am: |
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Phil,
I quite understood your original point (and for that matter quite agree with you about the suggestions that Druitt was homosexual) and the entire post was a bit tongue-in-cheek. That said, though, it really can't be certain that he died without issue simply because he did not wed.
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Phil Hill
Sergeant
Username: Phil
Post Number: 22
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 1:22 pm: |
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But that could be true of vast numbers of men - unprovable, but in Druitt's case I think it is unlikely that if he had any illegitimate offspring he knew of them or they of him. |
Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 572
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 3:14 pm: |
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Phil,
Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Five words.
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 4461
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 5:02 pm: |
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I would say to Jack, "Why do you do this? What's wrong with dominoes?"
Robert |
L.K. Cook
Sergeant
Username: Xinda
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 8:44 pm: |
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Robert, you are a witty chap!
Remember, Your Precious Rose has Nasty, Hooky , Thorns!
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Adam Went
Inspector
Username: Adamw
Post Number: 181
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 4:55 am: |
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Hi all!
I've just returned from taking a bit of a break from the forums, it's been pretty hectic lately, and now I wish I hadn't! I've missed out on way too much good stuff! Oh well, I guess the only thing to do is to get straight back into the discussions!
Anyway, to answer the question, if I could ask Jack 1 question, it would probably be "Did you really kill Elizabeth Stride?". If he said he didn't, then it would answer one of the more major questions/mysteries in Ripperology. If he said he did, then that would also solve the mystery, except it would also give me an oppurtunity to say "In your face!" to Glenn Andersson, which would make me very, very happy. ;)
But I think that if someone really did meet him, running for the nearest police station would be the best idea!
Regards,
Adam.
"Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once."
- Kirsten Cooke,"Allo' Allo'"
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Ian Peter Judson
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 4:09 pm: |
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it is a well known fact to me at least that jack the ripper murdered 5 women.Having been and read the official files as research for the book i am writing about this the greatest whodunnit of all anywhere i find myself in a position to possibly throw some extra light that has come from a source that i do not think anybody has even looked at before.The one question i would ask Jack The Ripper would be if you had the chance would you do it all over again considering the risk you would be putting yourself at.I would not ask him why he did what he did because i am almost certain on that part.I would take tea with him so I could understand more about the sort of character we are dealing with |
forever single
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 6:30 am: |
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I would protect and nurture him- safely and imprisoned of course. I feel that he is/was the best possible advertisment against child abuse, and should be held up for the world to see. I do not hate him, I hate the evil bitch that his mother was. There are a great many women such as this. They cease to love the man in their life, but cannot retaliate/harm him. He simply has left her, or is seeing other women. Whatever. The bitch turns her evil onto a child. It is usually her child (availability), and is also usually, though not always a boy child. He will be beaten, criticised, found fault with, disfaoured, while his siblingsd are favoured. Not only will he be abused physically, it will be mentally, psychologically,and emotionally. The human brain is not fully developed until the age of 11. By which time irrepairable damaged will have been done. This was my childhood. I am middle aged. Single.I would not harm a woman, as I consider this to be an unforgivable sin. But I know tha JTR has been where I have been. I hope that this posting will sway some bitch from her evil doing. |
Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 585
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 7:44 pm: |
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Forever single,
With all due respect, you do understand that your childhood -- however miserable it may have been for you -- was not Jack the Ripper's. And since we don't know who Jack was we can make no definite statements about his childhood. Further, I do hope this is not the first or only place you have chosen to unburden yourself -- and it is far from the best. If you are not simply pulling our leg, I do hope you will find your way to people who can help alleviate your simmering anger. Really.
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3495
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 7:53 pm: |
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Ian Peter Judson,
"it is a well known fact to me at least that jack the ripper murdered 5 women."
Oh blimey, I really look forward to see the evidence of that.
"Having been and read the official files as research for the book i am writing about this the greatest whodunnit of all anywhere i find myself in a position to possibly throw some extra light that has come from a source that i do not think anybody has even looked at before."
Yeah... no offense, but where have we heard that one before? Welcome to the club.
Good luck just the same -- sincerely.
All the best
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Adam Went
Inspector
Username: Adamw
Post Number: 199
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 9:44 pm: |
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Hi Glenn and Ian,
"Oh blimey, I really look forward to see the evidence of that."
Mmm-Hmm, me too, Glenn.
Ian, certainly there are 5 canonical victims, but as far as I know, only Polly Nichols, Annie Chapman and Catherine Eddowes are accepted by basically everyone as being the 3 definite victims. Mary Kelly and Elizabeth Stride - well, there's divided opinion. Then there's also some who believe Martha Tabram was a victim, and others who think the whole lot were Ripper victims - Smith, Tabram, Nichols, Chapman, Stride, Eddowes, Kelly, MacKenzie, Farmer, Coles, etc, etc.
Me? Well, personally I firmly believe Tabram, Nichols, Chapman, Stride and Eddowes are all Ripper victims. I'm a bit 'iffy' about MJK, but I'm more in favour of her as being a Ripper victim than not one, and I haven't ruled out Alice Mackenzie either. Emma Smith, Annie Farmer and Frances Coles, I do rule out.
But, that's just me.
Glenn, again:
"Yeah... no offense, but where have we heard that one before? Welcome to the club.
Good luck just the same -- sincerely."
Oh, I don't know about that, Glenn. After all, it seems that nobody had heard of Francis Tumblety for over 100 years, and now he's one of the top suspects.
Still, I agree, I don't know where any unknown information could possibly come from now.
But yes, good luck, Ian! If you are able to bring out a source nobody knows about it, then you certainly deserve it!
Regards,
Adam.
"Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once."
- Kirsten Cooke,"Allo' Allo'"
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Jane Coram
Inspector
Username: Jcoram
Post Number: 440
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 9:47 pm: |
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Hi Forever single,
I echo what Don has said. I have come into contact with many who have suffered at the hand of what could be termed 'abusive mother'.
It is very true that the maternal influence on any human male or female can have a huge effect on them, but I think that it is a far more complicated issue than that.
I do agree that if Jack had a mental illness, then he should have been treated as you say, compassionately and given whatever help he needed to control his condition. However a large number of serial killers are actually not mentally ill, but psychopaths, a condition which is totally untreatable. Unfortunately in those situations no amount of nurturing and treatment will help them. They will simply manipulate those who try and help them and this has happened in the case of a fair number of known serial killers.Ted Bundy is a prime example of this. No treatment on earth could have stopped him from wanting to kill innocent women. He just enjoyed it.
As Don rightly said, we have no idea who Jack the Ripper was, and it is also true that many serial killers had perfectly good mothers who did their best for their children.
My childhood was totally horrendous, but my brothers, sister and I all turned out as reasonable human beings.
I am really sorry that you obviously had a really bad time of it when you were young. I hope you have managed to work through it and are having a better time of it now. Sometimes it does help to talk about it and get it off your chest.
All the best
Jane
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Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 700
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 6:09 am: |
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Hi Jane,
The only thing that seemed to show any promise curing Ted Bundy was that electroshock therapy they tried on on January 24, 1989. It took more than 2,000 volts to stop him from wanting to kill innocent women, but I think it worked.
Of course after that he no longer wanted to do anything at all anymore... I doubt many people would agree to that kind of treatment.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
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D. Radka
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 11:38 am: |
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Bundy was a psychopath quite similar to the Whitechapel murderer, IMHO. There is no cure or effective treatment for psychopathy.
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3594
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 5:01 pm: |
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Radka,
Indeed. It is perfectly true that there does NOT exist a treatment of psychopathy, -- therapy for example, makes them even worse because then that knowledge becomes another tool they can use to manipulate their environment with. And so far no available medication works. After all, psychopathy is not an illness, but a personality disorder.
However, I personally disagree with your view of the Ripper here; as far as I am concerned he probably was nothing like Bundy whatsoever, my bet is that he in fact was the complete opposite in personality and not necessarily a psychopath. Some takes the granted that the Ripper was a psychopath/sociopath/APD because that fits most known serial killers. But not all of them are, and judging from his crimes I'd say he can not be labeled as a Bundy type uncritically.
But since it is nearly impossible for us in retrospect to diagnose him with anything, using such assumptions as a base for the investigation is dangerous.
All the best
(Message edited by Glenna on June 15, 2005)
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 649
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 7:05 pm: |
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The problem in labelling Jack, and I am not going to try to solve it, just define it, is that he was organized enough to lure them, and organized enough to get away. But he was disorganized enough to turn 5 women into a gruesome mess. One points to a psychopath the other to mentally ill. This is what makes it so hard. |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3595
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 7:56 pm: |
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Exactly, Diana,
I'd say he's a mix although more disorganized than the opposite..
But then, serial killers with disturbed disorganized traits generally are mixed and contain some or many organized elements in their personality or else they wouldn't be able to perform multiple killings and get away with it for a longer period of time. They are hardly any David Cohens.
(Sorry, Fido -- I still think you're a blast!)
But this type of killer I don't see as organized enough as Bundy. Besides, the Ripper went for the most available and vulnerable targets of all (besides children) -- prostitutes.
All the best
(Message edited by Glenna on June 15, 2005)
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1706
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 8:22 am: |
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Glenn,
I'd say he's a mix although more disorganized than the opposite..
You're not alone with that view. I have always stated that when you look at Sutcliffe you are looking at the closest modern Serial killer to jack. Not a copy but very samey.
Cheers
Monty
"You got very nice eyes, DeeDee. Never noticed them before. They real?"
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3596
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 9:53 am: |
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Hi Monty,
Well to some parts I agree with that but feel a bit doubtful in other regards. But that could be so, and it is quite possible.
Sutcliffe is a complex case -- leading a double life and although having problems in his childhood and had troubles with keeping a job, he was married and apparantly a good husband. So in that regards he was an organized individual. However, his crimes were of clearly disorganized, bizarre and motiveless nature, and as far as I know he wasn't a psychopath in the true meaning of the word.
Which just shows how difficult this is.
All the best
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1707
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 10:05 am: |
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Glenn,
Hence the reason I stated Sutcliffe wasnt a copy.
Monty
"You got very nice eyes, DeeDee. Never noticed them before. They real?"
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D. Radka
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 10:08 pm: |
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Lars,
The reason behind why one chooses to see JtR as either a psychopath, a paranoid schizophrenic, a syphillitic or otherwise psychiatrically is a methodological matter. You choose the one that gets you the furthest solution-wise. And the alternative most conducive to solving the case clearly is psychopathy. One doesn't merely look at the case evidence and decide--or forgo decision on this matter--based on fully adequate empirical information concerning JtR psychiatrically, because it isn't there. One decides psychiatrically by taking one's own self in hand, because of the later implications to one's Ripperlogical work. Can't you see this? If you could just see it the way I do for one minute, I'd be happy.
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3597
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:16 pm: |
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Radka,
Lars???
(oh yeah, I forgot... and all Swedes are blonde too... )
"The reason behind why one chooses to see JtR as either a psychopath, a paranoid schizophrenic, a syphillitic or otherwise psychiatrically is a methodological matter."
Well, that is not a method I would prefer to choose anyway, but that's just me -- maybe one can have opinions in such directions, but basing a case on psychology????You based you whole A?R case philosophy on the fact that the Ripper was a psychopath. But what if he wasn't? What happens with all your intepretations of the evidence? Do you have a plan B?
"And the alternative most conducive to solving the case clearly is psychopathy."
Well, that is your call; I don't see much of a psychopathic Bundy in the Ripper, but we can of course only speculate.
All the best
(Message edited by Glenna on June 16, 2005)
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2576
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:29 pm: |
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Oh are you Lars?
Jenni
"be just and fear not"
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3598
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 1:31 pm: |
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Beats me, Jenni; my name has never been Lars, but I couldn't find any other Lars here, and since that is a very common name in Sweden... not to mention Radka's little name games on other occasions.
Well, I guess I am not Jewish anymore (don't ask...).
All the best
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2578
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 5:07 pm: |
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i would think it beats everyone, Norman!
"be just and fear not"
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