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Kitty
Police Constable
Username: Kitty
Post Number: 8
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 5:50 am: |       |
Might anyone tell me where I can read about details of the detectives finding the grapes in Dutfield's Yard after the Liz Stride incidence.All information and insights greatly appreciated. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3137
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 8:10 am: | |
Hi Kitty
There's a good article by Gerry Nixon in Ripperologist No. 42 (August 2002). You can read it on this site at Ripper Media/Periodicals
Robert |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 234
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 11:46 pm: | |
Incidentally, one of the papers reported the day after the murder that Diemschutz noticed grape stems in Stride's right hand. It's not impossible this is true, and that the doctors and officers checking for a pulse in the dark (hence the spots of blood on her wrist) knocked it loose into the gutter. Regardless, we have no way of knowing.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Dan Norder
Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 320
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 7:13 pm: | |
So cachous in her left hand and grapes in her right? That would make it kind of difficult to eat either, wouldn't it?
Dan Norder, editor, Ripper Notes |
Kitty
Police Constable
Username: Kitty
Post Number: 9
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 6:53 pm: | |
Thankyou everyone.
I was rathermore thinking of the detectives themselves. Do we know who they exactly were, or must we picture them as obscure figures creeping about in bowler hats for the rest of our days! :-)
I will check out Ripperologist.
all insights and references welcome. |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 349
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 3:57 pm: | |
Hi Kitty
They were 'Mr Grand & J H Batchelor' of 283 Strand. They were employed by the Mile End Vigilance Committee.
Have a look at "The East London Advertiser" 6 October 1888, under the heading 'Discovery by Private Detectives'. It is in the press reports
Rob |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 237
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 9:32 pm: | |
Hello all,
Actually it was 'Le Grand', and his real name was Christian Briscony. They were not private investigators at all, but crooks posing as such. Briscony had been convicted of a number of thefts and, prior to the Whitechapel murders, had spent 8 years in prison.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 351
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 3:31 am: | |
Hi Tom
Thanks for the corrections. You got my mind thinking about an old Ripperologist article if I am not mistaken.
Rob
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Kitty
Sergeant
Username: Kitty
Post Number: 12
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 1:48 pm: | |
Thanks for all the help people. |
