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Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 757
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 5:29 am: | 
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July is here, and you know what that means... We've got another incredible issue of Ripper Notes coming out soon, and I'm here to tell you all about it.
Jane Coram is back on the cover with more of her amazing artwork:
As you can see, our theme this time around is "Suspects & Witnesses," and we approach that topic from a variety of angles. Here's some of what we have in store for you:
•Stewart P. Evans uses his years of police experience to take a detailed look at the witness statement of George Hutchinson.
•Andrew J. Spallek makes a comprehensive case for Montague J. Druitt being the best suspect in the Whitechapel murders.
•Don Souden critically examines the witness statements to see what, if anything, we really have to work with there.
•Tom Wescott introduces us to a brand new suspect named in contemporary reports that you won't find anywhere else.
•Jeffrey Bloomfield explores the meaning behind the stories that Dr. Thomas Neill Cream tried to confess to being Jack the Ripper during his execution.
•Associate Editor Wolf Vanderlinden gives us part one of a two part investigation into Francis Tumblety and what really happened when he jumped bail and escaped from London.
•Des McKenna compares and contrasts the two different stories Tom Slemen has presented so far arguing that Claude Reignier Conder was Jack the Ripper.
We also have a number of other articles (the authors are already listed on the image above) that I don't know yet if they'll all fit into this issue. I'm going to try getting as many of them in as possible, even if it means going longer than our standard 108 pages again, but I'm going to delay announcing what they are about until I know for sure that they will actually make it in.
And then of course we have the always irreverent News & Notes section by yours truly, Wolf's book reviews and newspaper clippings, Jennifer Pegg's reader survey results, the Whitechapel Letterbox and some more goodies here and there.
If you don't already have a subscription you should definitely get on board now and find out for yourself why Casebook readers voted Ripper Notes the highest-ranked Ripper-themed periodical. Just click the website link in my signature to find out how to subscribe.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
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Matfelon
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 5:15 am: |
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"Tom Wescott introduces us to a brand new suspect named in contemporary reports that you won't find anywhere else."
I'm dying to know...
btw:
Mr. Norder,
A general question: Do you have a list of available back issues? |
Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 758
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 6:16 am: |
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Hi Matfelon,
Well, I could give you the guy's name, but it won't do you any good because he isn't mentioned elsewhere.
Regarding back issues, it's safe to say that July 2004 and later are available (in fact, they seem to be popular sold as a set of four -- kind of an instant retroactive one year subscription), but I don't have too many of the older ones. It's best to email me to be sure you have an updated list. (You can click the email link in my signature or go through to the website and find the alternate address there.)
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1574
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 8:49 am: |
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Hi Dan
Looking forward to getting the issue. Looks as if the issue is a strong one contentswise. Good work. A splendid cover as well. Congratulations.
Best regards
Chris
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
See "Jack--The Musical" by Chris George & Erik Sitbon
The Drama of Jack the Ripper Weekend
Charlotte, NC, September 16-18, 2005
http://www.actorssceneunseen.com/ripper.asp
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Malta Joe
Detective Sergeant
Username: Malta
Post Number: 112
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 1:34 pm: |
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Hello Dan,
Wolf's article sounds very exciting, and he chose a topic that many of us are hungry to learn more about. It would be something if his article could shed some light on those two mysterious figures who came up with the $1,500 bail money on Nov 16th. You got us on the edge of our seats now. Good looking cover, Jane sure is talented. Joe |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2156
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 4:43 pm: |
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I received my first copy of Ripper Notes a day or so ago.Very impressed with its professional appearance and lovely illustration on the front cover by Jane Coram !Looks as though the next issue will be similarly presented if the front cover is anything to go by.
Have only managed to read one article so far,Bernard Brown"s, The Sherlock Holmes of "G" Division.It was a good read and very funny at times
-especially when the coppers and the cab washers had that unexpected punch up !
Natalie |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 399
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 8:38 pm: |
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Matfelon,
You show good taste, my friend. My previously undiscovered suspect is some guy named Aaron Kosminski. No one has ever heard of this suspect before. I'm sure the name will be new to everyone reading this. Hope you enjoy.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Adam Went
Inspector
Username: Adamw
Post Number: 253
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 6:03 am: |
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Uh-Oh.
OK, if my intuition tells me right, I can expect several things I believe about George Hutchinson and other witness descriptions are going to cop a real slamming in this issue.
Well, I'll be nervously waiting to see!
But seriously, sounds like a great issue coming up once again, and I look forward to receiving it.
Regards,
Adam. 
(P.S. Where's all the articles about George Chapman being the Ripper, eh...? ;) )
"Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once."
- Kirsten Cooke,"Allo' Allo'"
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Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 787
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 3:07 pm: |
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Hi all,
If you were wondering why there were two names on the cover that I didn't mention the articles for, it was I wasn't sure if they'd fit. One didn't (Derek Osborne's, which will be in October), and one did. So let me add another bullet here for the new article:
•Leanne Perry looks at a London institution and a Ripper suspect's connection there in "Joseph Barnett and Old Billingsgate Market."
Oh, and it's also worth noting that Wolf Vanderlinden's "From the Newspaper Morgue" July column covers a number of old news reports about the concept that the Ripper had been locked up in an asylum... but each of them sounds like they are discussing completely different people. If you're a fan of the theory that Jack was insane and captured, you can't miss this.
So that means we cover Hutchinson, Druitt, Tumblety, Cream, Conder, Barnett, all the major witnesses, a bunch of lunatics *and* a totally new suspect. Toss in the News & Notes section, reviews (tackling books about Williams, Chapman/Klosowski and other topics) and other regular features and we've got more solid content between these pages then you can find just about anywhere else. And considering how much I liked the previous issues, I have to say that I think this one is definitely the best one yet.
Those anxiously awaiting their copies only have to wait for the printers and the mail to get them to you -- and, like always, it's pretty hard to predict how long that will be. Soon though.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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Adam Went
Inspector
Username: Adamw
Post Number: 293
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 5:40 am: |
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Hi Dan,
Has the July issue of RN actually been sent out yet? If so, when?
Just wondering, since I'm still waiting on both RN and Ripperologist to arrive, which isn't really a problem, but it's just that the mail has been very slow over here lately, and the issues might take longer to arrive.
Cheers,
Adam.
"...Since then the idea has taken full possession of me, and everything fits in and dovetails so well that I cannot help feeling that this (George Chapman) is the man we struggled so hard to capture fifteen years ago..."
- Inspector Frederick Abberline, March 1903 interview, Pall Mall Gazette .
Hmmm.....
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Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2723
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 6:30 am: |
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Adam,
I'm expecting them anytime soon!
Jenni |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 411
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 2:04 pm: |
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Yep, mine's on it's way as well. I must admit there's not an article in this issue that I'm NOT very much looking forward to reading. Well, Dan's editorial, of course, but...
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3828
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 4:01 pm: |
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Hi Adam,
I have recently been notified that mine now has been shipped off as well.
So I imagine it will arrive soon.
All the best
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2727
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 4:40 pm: |
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Hi,
yep i posted my lot this afternoon . That means its on its way to you Adam.
As far as I know they are all on there way.
Jenni |
Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 807
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 10:49 pm: |
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Hi all,
More than half of the US issues got sent out yesterday already, and the rest of the batch with North American addresses got dropped off at the post office this afternoon. All the ones from Jennifer's group (the UK, continental Europe and the Land Down Under) are making their way as well.
That means all subscriber, contributor (i.e., authors with articles more than six printed pages long and illustrators with multiple or large pieces) and promotional copies have been mailed out now. (Well, OK, someone just subscribed via credit card on the website while I was on my way to the post office... So not that guy's, but everyone else's, yeah.)
If you aren't a subscriber, the Ripper Notes website has the skinny on how to change that.
We're also the only Ripper periodical listed on www.Amazon.com and www.Amazon.co.uk, so it's easy to pick up a sample issue there. July's is already listed and ready to order (though the cover image and description got messed up, I'll have to go fix that). Or if you want to support your local bookstore the ISBN the friendly worker there can punch in is 0-9759129-4-1.
And once everyone reads it, let's do a little poll here... What's your favorite thing (article, illustration, column or whatever) in this issue and why? I'm guessing there'll be a wide range of answers this time.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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Adam Went
Inspector
Username: Adamw
Post Number: 296
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 6:22 am: |
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Hi all,
Thanks for the quick replies to my question, glad to hear that the issues have been sent off - looking forward to receiving mine!
Glenn, you mentioned that your issue has been shipped off - just wondering, when did you become a subscriber to RN?
Last time we talked about that, you didn't subscribe to any Ripper mags!
Anyway, that's good news.
Cheers,
Adam.
P.S. Dan, will send you an e-mail regarding an article for RN I'm considering.
"...Since then the idea has taken full possession of me, and everything fits in and dovetails so well that I cannot help feeling that this (George Chapman) is the man we struggled so hard to capture fifteen years ago..."
- Inspector Frederick Abberline, March 1903 interview, Pall Mall Gazette .
Hmmm.....
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3832
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 8:16 am: |
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Hi Adam,
Well, there is a very easy explanation.
I've actually contributed with three modest pen illustrations (no big deal) - in some kind of 'Illustrated Police News-style' - for Don Souden's article concerning the witness descriptions. (This time I did have a spare week.)
That's why I've received a copy.
But I hope to become a subscriber to both journals as soon as the circumstances allow it.
And by the way: my copy arrived today! Thanks, Dan and Jenni.
All the best
(Message edited by Glenna on August 01, 2005)
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 112
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:58 pm: |
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Got my copy today (thanks Jenni) and looks very interesting.
A quick question for Dan or Wolf V if he posts here (or anyone else if they know the answer) - in From the Newspaper Morgue Wentworth Bell Smith's first name is given as Gordon - what is the source for this? I had only ever seen it given as 'G' although I was (and still am) fairly confident that the man in question was actually Henry Wentworth Bellsmith.
David |
Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 3280
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 8:45 pm: |
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The cover art, table of contents and sample article ("Suspect and Witness" by Stewart P. Evans) for this issue are now available online at:
http://casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/periodicals/rippernotes.2005_july.html
Stephen P. Ryder, Exec. Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 811
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:03 am: |
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Hi David,
I've sent an email to Wolf about your question to see if we can get that clarified for you.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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Joanne Simons
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 5:56 pm: |
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I wonder if we are going to have a clash of former british police officers. I see that Stewart Evans has done an article on Hutchinson and his validity as a witness and the flaws in his statement. Trevor Marriott covered this in his book Jack The Ripper The 21st Century Investigation published in April i wonder if they will agree, or agree to disagree. It will be an intersting outcome |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3839
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:01 pm: |
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How do you mean, Joanne?
In spite of the risk of throwing this thread out of subject: What is Marriott's opinion, then?
All the best
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 652
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:47 pm: |
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Joanne,
You only seem to show up on these boards to say something about Mr. Marriott's book and in this latest instance you make a rather tenuous connection between Trevor Marriott and Stewart Evans. Just curiousity, but do you perhaps have a proprietary interest in the Marriott book?
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 113
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 2:08 pm: |
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Dan - Thanks, that is very kind of you.
David |
Adam Went
Inspector
Username: Adamw
Post Number: 297
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 5:14 am: |
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Hi all,
I received my issue of RN in the mail today as well. It didn't take long to get here!
Once again, more brilliant artwork by the very talented Jane Coram greets the reader on the front cover, which is a good opener to what looks, at first glance, like it will be a very interesting issue! Looking forward to getting into it!
Hi Glenn,
Ah, thanks for the explanation, and I'm glad to hear that you're able to get the issue as well!
Those are some pretty good illustrations you did, actually....but just a question....I have a sneaking suspicion that in the close up of Cathy Eddowes and the man with her you drew on page 63, the man has a bit of a resemblance to you, I think.
Is that just a coincidence, or...???
Cheers,
Adam.
"...Since then the idea has taken full possession of me, and everything fits in and dovetails so well that I cannot help feeling that this (George Chapman) is the man we struggled so hard to capture fifteen years ago..."
- Inspector Frederick Abberline, March 1903 interview, Pall Mall Gazette .
Hmmm.....
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3844
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 5:34 am: |
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Hi Adam,
Ah, but those pictures are rubbish; I am not as good as in my old days. But thanks anyway.
Resemblance, no, I think absolutely not... well, maybe if you add to him some 26 pounds, put on a potato nose instead of a Mandrake snot, and add some grey hair and a goat beard... No. I can't say I actually look like that guy, and I did not use myself as a model.
Besides, I am never unshaven!
All the best
(Message edited by Glenna on August 04, 2005)
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 413
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 9:24 pm: |
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To all Ripper Notes Readers:
I'm only half-way through reading the new issue, and once finished will write my usual rambling review. But I wanted to now draw special attention to the illustrations appearing in Don Souden's article. It may have escaped your attention that those are original pieces done by no other than Glenn Andersson! Personally, I think they kick ass and want to give Glenn mucho props. I truly hope to see more of his work in upcoming issues of Ripper Notes.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott
P.S. Regarding the above alleged connection between Trevor Mariott and Stewart Evans, the only comparison that can be drawn is that for many decades now each has successfully, and without fail, converted oxygen to carbon dioxide, thus helping our trees to flourish. Outside of that, one is a well-respected historian whose work will long outlive all of us. The other is a self-promoting hack who makes Chris Miles look modest and dedicated by comparison. |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3852
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 9:55 pm: |
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Tom,
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.
In all honesty, I have actually been dreading your review and my nails have been pretty much chewed down to very core. I haven't done illustrations in years and I feel quite dusty on it, so those words mean a great deal.
Now I can sleep tonight; I didn't want to let Dan and Don (sounds like a folk duo) down by making a crappy job.
Just one clarification:
The scene with Lawende, Levy and Harris is not meant to be accurate - there simply was too little information to base it on, so I just made a funny little overall scene.
However, regarding the close-up with the sailor guy and Eddowes, as well as the Schwartz street scene and the picture of Pipe man, I have tried to be as accurate as possible.
Still, they are only illustrations, not scientific material.
All the best
P.S. It's not hard to guess who is the noted historian and who is the self-promoting hack...
(Message edited by Glenna on August 04, 2005)
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 657
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:12 pm: |
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Tom,
How right you are about Glenn's drawings. As soon as I started writing the article I began leaning on him to do them and happily he agreed. I hope to continue presuming on friendship to get him to illustrate any future articles I may do (though some critics may pay him NOT TO do any just to keep my pen stilled).
Glenn,
Dan and Don may sound like a folk duo, but on my end, anyway, that would be the only good sound. Let's put it this way: If MJK had a voice like mine when she sang "Only a Violet I Plucked From My Mother's Grave" then her murder, however horrible, would have been justifiable homicide.
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 816
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 4:58 am: |
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Hi David,
Word back from Wolf on the G. in G. Wentworth Bell Smith being Gordon is that it's something he found quite a few years back, probably during the '80s sometime. Unfortunately he lost some notes in a computer crash a while ago and is currently unable to locate the original reference. He doesn't claim to have identified the original person in question, by the way, just that somewhere there was a source that said the G. was short for Gordon.
Hi Joanne,
I know they come to different conclusions on a variety things just in general. Stewart's article was selected as the one to be featured on this site as a sample for this issue, so it's pretty easy to check it out and look for any differences of opinion on this particular topic: Suspect and Witness - The Police Viewpoint - Stewart P. Evans
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 115
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 1:42 pm: |
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Thanks for checking that for me Dan.
David
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Malta Joe
Detective Sergeant
Username: Malta
Post Number: 115
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:33 pm: |
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I just took a look at Part One of Wolf's article, and boy I really enjoy his writing style. It flows really well. His previous article (on Annie Chapman's time of death) was a very crisp read, too. He has a terrific technique, and it's nice to read his well-prepared work.
It's quite true when his article stated that the NY World "seemed to have an inside track on almost all of the Tumblety-related news stories." I've noticed that, too. Wolf made a fine point when he raised the question of whether somebody was tipping off this newspaper. He was on target again when he showed the NY Herald as having been on the ball, as well. If the Littlechild suspect is to be seriously looked at, then we should pay strict attention to the Whitechapel articles that these two NY newspapers produced. I'd pay particular attention to the words of the notable people who were exclusively interviewed by either of these two newspapers.
Wolf's article doubted the validity of the news reports which involved Anderson + San Francisco Police Chief Crowley. Those two were supposedly in communication for the purpose of having Tumblety's handwriting sample sent to England because Scotland Yard was "in need of it." I'm glad to see this being openly questioned now. Maybe in the future we'll learn the real reason why this odd cover story found its way into a half a dozen newspapers.
As for the Sandford Conover part, an item of interest to add was that Tumblety wrote about Conover in the doctor's 2nd autobiography published in 1872. Conover wasn't presented in a good light at all, so this 'Colonel Dunham' may have had a little score to settle with Tumblety. Personally, I don't spend much time determining whether or not Conover's account of the uterus jars was authentic. To me it's just not that important. Tumblety may have owned those jars and still not have been the Ripper. He may have been the Ripper and still not have owned those jars. I'd go on to other aspects of his case.
Finally, I was happy to see Wolf address the Euston Station arrest. It was a good idea to display part of the Nov 19th Ottawa Free Press' account of that arrest. That Canadian paper gave a fine depiction of what had happened and how this arrested doctor closely resembled the "gentleman" who was seen with Kelly.
Part Two looks to be a pleasurable read, too. Nice work! |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 775
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 1:38 pm: |
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Along with Andrew Spallek's very good story on Druitt [ Mr. Spallek offers up an interesting reason for the dismissal of Druitt from Valentine's School that deserves its own thread [ hint...hint...]. That being,for those of you who aren't subscribers to the magazine, that Druitt may have been caught re-entering the school past curfew and reprimanded and then possibly released from employment at the school following the Nov. 9th massacre of MJK for yet another sojourn into the bowels of The East End. Even if one dismisses Druitt, Mr. Spallek's scenario is well worth reading and contemplating for those who don't subscribe and have Monty at the top of their suspect list. Very interesting article.
J.B. is well...J.B. His story on Neil Cream follows the trail of handed down lore regarding the alleged [ or are they ? You'll have to read it to find out...] last words of Dr. Cream,once contemplated as a Ripper suspect. More of the same from Jeff Bloomfield.
...saving the homes for the last..Tom Wescott's story on Thomas Jones is another good one from Tom. Jones was the subject of a Manchester Sunday Chronicle story from Oct. 1889, almost one full calendar year after MJK's murder, entitled..."Is Jack The Ripper Found?.
Jones was charged with an assault on a woman named Amanda Ellis,all the while with a second man [ shades of Pipe Man ?] standing by. Jones broke free from momentary detainment to rush through a doorway,locking it behind him.
The only "problem" I have with this story, not that there is ANY problem with what Tom Wescott has written..but,anyway...
Jones fled the scene into a building as stated. Ellis,the victim of the assault [ a pummeling with the possibility of a knifing,as Jones ostensibly had a knife in one hand at the ready...] is able to provide Inspector Mutford with Jones address [ possibly the building in which he scampered into as the article doesn't mention the actual address..] in order to hand over a summons to Jones to appear before the magistrate.
Jones may have been just dumb to admit,as he did, that he was involved with Ellis to the constable, sans Ellis' presence to confirm his identity in front of the constable....after all,she provided the address,correct? To me, it sounds as if he wasn't such a stranger at all.... and dutifully going to court as instructed one week later.
Jones wasn't so dumb in his selection of a legal aide,as J.Banks-Pitman appeared on his behalf....Ellis was a No-Show Jones at the court date on November 2nd. Although his innocence was never proven,the court naturally had to tell Jones that he was free to go, based on Ellis's non-appearance.
A good story by Tom....I was just wondering if any London papers carried a story about this, as it obviously made the Manchester press...Could it have been a trumped up allegation by Ms. Ellis ? No mention of any of the witnesses that assisted her in her surviving the attack are mentioned appearing in court in the article ...Could there have been a "look out", eerily similar to "Pipe Man", helping Jones in this assault? After all,Ms. Ellis' story was taken seriously enough by the original magistrate to order a summons....or was this man a casual observer? Has Tom unearthed yet another person to track down for our enjoyment ?
I haven't read Supe's story or The Wolf's yet...saving that for Sunday. Then its off to read Leeanne's and Mr. McKenna's....and of course,Mr. Evans story.
Great cover by my eternal overseas girlfriend,Jane Coram....and pretty darned good artwork by The English Immigrant Andersson, formerly of Sweden. |
Sir Robert Anderson
Chief Inspector
Username: Sirrobert
Post Number: 512
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 11:38 pm: |
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"I've actually contributed with three modest pen illustrations (no big deal)"
IMHO, they're tremendous. You are being too modest. I only realized now that they are not of the time period.
Sir Robert
'Tempus Omnia Revelat'
SirRobertAnderson@gmail.com
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Adam Went
Inspector
Username: Adamw
Post Number: 304
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 6:21 am: |
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Hi again Glenn,
From my earlier question, thanks for clarifying that. I don't know why I thought that he looked like you, perhaps it was just the moustache, facial expression, or something. Just made me think "Hmmm...he looks a bit like Glenn...".
That just proves how pathetic I am when it comes to art-related things... ;)
Anyway, I've got into the new issue of RN already - haven't read much, but so far, it's very good!
Regards,
Adam.
"...Since then the idea has taken full possession of me, and everything fits in and dovetails so well that I cannot help feeling that this (George Chapman) is the man we struggled so hard to capture fifteen years ago..."
- Inspector Frederick Abberline, March 1903 interview, Pall Mall Gazette .
Hmmm.....
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Joanne Simons
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:48 pm: |
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Glenn you surprise me you are always to the forefront with all the posts on here and your knowledge is first class but you should have really taken the time to read the book then you would be able to comment first hand. |
Joanne Simons
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 9:07 am: |
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Dan
i did not set out to make a big issue of the Evans /Marriott saga I merely asked the question as to whether or not they both came to the same conclusion about Hutchinson being a worthy witness or whether his testimony is totally unreliable.Others on here hame made it a bigger issue.One final point in relation to a previous post. Where a contributer suggests the difference between marriott and Evans is that Evans is a respected historian and marriott is a hack i would think if Marriott ever reads this he might reply with something like Historians dont solve murder cases Detectives do !!!!! |
Joanne Simons
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 6:02 pm: |
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And now have i have incurred the wrath of the legendary Mr Rumbellow hmmmmmmmm? First of all the link between Marriot and Evans is not tenuous as you suggest. As to you suggestion that i may have an interest in Marriotts book is untrue. I have read many books.I have also read his book which I found very intersting as i know many others have aslo. It now seems to me that the likes of your good self and other authors/enthusiats seem to resent the fact that another expereienced investigator has come along and has conducted a professional investigation which has now cast a doubt about some of the accepted theories others have sought to rely on for many years. At the end of the day you nor others can conclusively prove your beliefs and suspicions, no more than Marriott can. But through his investigation he does seem to take his suspicions that bit further forward than many others and for this he should be applauded and not maligned. |
Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 662
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 1:24 pm: |
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Joanne,
Nope, you haven't incurred the wrath of the legendary Mr. Rumbelow -- you haven't even incurred the wrath of the less-than-legendary Mr. Souden. We share the same first name and are both authors, but that is about as far as it goes. Well that and the fact that Mr. R. is probably more comfortable financially at the moment than Mr. S. and that is why I have yet to buy Mr. M.'s book.
Anyway, if you have no financial or family interest in Trevor Marriott's book then I can only encourage you to leap into the maelstrom and make a few posts on other topics -- worst thing that could happen to you is to be mistaken for a giant in the history of Ripperology. 
Don SOUDEN.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3857
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 1:52 pm: |
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Joanne,
I just wondered what Marriott's point of view was on Hutchinson. It would be great if you could elaborate and deliver some kind of summary of his ideas. I don't have the financial means to buy a lot of books and therefore mainly use my own common sense when interpreting elements in the Ripper case.
"Where a contributer suggests the difference between marriott and Evans is that Evans is a respected historian and marriott is a hack i would think if Marriott ever reads this he might reply with something like Historians dont solve murder cases Detectives do !!!!!"
Well actually, Evans has spent over 30 years investigating the Ripper case and been in the force as a police officer just as long.
You can actually be BOTH a noted historian/ researcher AND have practical empiric experience. In investigating such old cases, historical knowledge and experience in historical research is just as important as knowledge of criminal investigation methods.
As for Hutchinson's testimony... for those who have studied a lot of witness and suspect interrogations from the 19th century, it is a well known fact that they often are quite unsatisfactory by our modern standards and contains a lot of flaws, holes and loose ends. I have encountered this a number of times -- from where I sit, the sloppy job the police made in connection with Hutchinson's interview, does in no way stand out of the ordinary for its time, although it appear especially clumsy in the context of such an important case.
In my experience, Evan's interpretation of the Hutchinson statement is quite reasonable. Fact remains, that witness interrogations from this time period leaves more questions than answers. Unfortunately.
Joanne, you may have read Marriott, but maybe you should also try to read some suspect and witness interrogations first hand from the late 19th century and early 20th century yourself?
Unfortunately, Hutchinson's is the only one that has remained in the Ripper case in its original, but there are loads of others cases.
If I recall correctly, Marriott is the 'investigator' that also claimed that the piece of Eddowes' apron was not left in Goulston Street by the killer, but in fact by Eddowes herself (in spite of the fact that it was smeared with blood and fecal matter - this he explains by saying she had used it as a menstruation cloth), as well as stating that the merchant theory is a 'new' theory while it in fact is one of the oldest and was discussed already in 1888.
Yeah right -- although I haven't read his book, I am very impressed by these examples of Mr. Marriott's deductions. Hmmm... 
All the best
(Message edited by Glenna on August 08, 2005)
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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David O'Flaherty
Chief Inspector
Username: Oberlin
Post Number: 970
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 4:24 pm: |
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Joanne,
Stewart Evans has spent forty-five years studying the Whitechapel murders; Trevor Marriott has spent eleven. Marriott cites privileged documentation without sourcing it, Evans with Keith Skinner has made all the available archival documentation (Sourcebook, Letters from Hell) available to anybody with a 50 cent library card. Evans has an encyclopediac knowledge of the times, crimes, police, and people while Marriott makes elementary mistakes that skew his theorizing, such as lecturing (according to the BBC, 8 March 2004) that Eddowes and Stride were found within twelve minutes of each other and so therefore more than two murderers had to be involved.
As it stands now, Evans could eat Marriott on a cracker and ask for more, IMO. The good news is that instead of criticizing armchair detectives who "are not prepared to back down when the flaws in the evidence and the theories become apparent" (he has a point there), Mr. Marriott can also prescribe some of his own medicine to himself.
Best,
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3863
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 6:29 pm: |
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Dave,
Indeed indeed. Well put.
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Sir Robert,
Thanks a million. Much appreciated.
That they were taken for being contemporary is one of the greatest compliments I've received.
All the best
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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David O'Flaherty
Chief Inspector
Username: Oberlin
Post Number: 972
Registered: 2-2003
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