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Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 177
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 8:54 pm: | 
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Hi all,
Regarding accents, having lived in the US for 16 years now, my family tell me that I have a very pronounced American accent. (Mind you, two minutes on the blower to Suzi, and I'm as English as they come!) Someone remind me how many years Liz had lived in London, please. My books are still in custody..
As to her perhaps picking up some Yiddish, I have to agree with Don. Perhaps she was able to pick up a few words through working for Jewish families. As it happens, today, at work, a Spanish co-worker asked a Navajo co-worker what a certain Navajo word meant. Without thinking, I told him the translation in Spanish... I later heard the Navajo co-worker telling the other Navajos that I "can speak Navajo" (!) which I can't. I've actually just picked up the swear words (most commonly used at work). Same with Spanish. I've just picked up a few words that enable me to communicate at work. Perhaps this not only can explain Liz's "English" accent, but the "she was said to speak Yiddish".
Or, then again, I may be completely off the wall!
Only trying to help, folks 
Bestest,
Lyn |
Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 178
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:00 pm: |
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Erm...
Just realised that this is the "At the risk of spouting off" thread. Why are we discussing Liz Stride here?
Bestest,
Lyn
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Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2736
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:06 pm: |
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Don and Lyn,
I think what you say it's absolutely possible; if she had been working for Jewish families, of course she could have picked up a couple of words or lines here and there.
But that is not the issue; some Swedish papers say that she spoke Yiddish fluently and English with no accident (while some say the contrary), which I find hard to believe.
Let's face it, Stride was quite close a pathological liar and were known for spicing up a lot of stuff regarding her life's story and her circumstances. I guess that was one of the few things that kept her nose above the misery she lived in.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2737
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:09 pm: |
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Have no idea, Lyn.
I guess it's because the issue with the kettle really may be not that exciting in order to keep it going for several posts. We have already debated other stuff here besides Stride as well.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1804
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:27 am: |
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BRILLIANT! Lyn!!!
Orl roight moi babes!!!!! cummin dain tain!!!!or upta moi ace?????
Translation avaiable!!!!!
Don-Think thats a graet solution to this one! Thanks
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1805
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:29 am: |
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Don-
Doesn't help you spell tho all this venacular!!!!!!!
Suzi |
Phil Hill
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:33 am: |
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Maybe Liz's biggest lie was that she was a JtR victim, when she wasn't at all. Indeed, maybe she lied about being Liz Stride - didn't one woman identify the body and say it was her sister!!
Maybe she even lied about being dead, which was why few turned up to the funeral!
Sorry about that a momentary lapse - a "trigger-thingy".
Oh, and I won't mention the rat. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3818
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 2:10 pm: |
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Hi Phil
So what it boils down to is, Liz was too frightened of Kidney to charge him with her murder.
Robert |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1813
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 4:07 pm: |
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Robert!
That's wht I've thought all along!!
a domestic!!!!!!! KIDNEY WAS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION A NASTY PIECE OF WORK ooooops caps but am sure
a)Liz wasnt a victim and b) Kidney did for her in a domestic of some kind This sortof thing happened all the time..maybe only after the'Whitechapels' people chose to remark on em!
Suzi |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3819
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 4:28 pm: |
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Hi Suzi
I tend to go for Jack, myself. Don't forget, the cachous had to get into her hand somehow. I think by the time she thought about having a cachou, "Broadshoulders" had cleared off.
But I'm not dogmatic about it.
Robert |
Phil Hill
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 7:51 am: |
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I think her "lover" had given her the cachous, earlier. She may even have bought them herself to make her own breath smell nicer for someone who was more of a "gentleman" (I use the term very loosely and in a comparaytive way). just as the same man had bought her the grapes from Packer's shop. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3830
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 2:25 pm: |
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Maybe, Phil, but if Kidney had just attacked her in the street, would she be likely to go into a dark yard with him and take her cachous out?
Robert |
Philip L. Hill
Police Constable
Username: Phil
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 3:14 pm: |
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They may have been clutched in her hand the whole time.
I think she was pushed/bundled into the yard. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3834
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 3:27 pm: |
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Ah, but surely if she was thrown down she would have dropped them?
Robert |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1823
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 6:41 pm: |
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Hmmmm Cachous cachous.... theres that post mortem cadaveric grip thing isnt there that makes a grip of the last thing in your hand! God that could be fun!!
SERIOUSLY Suzi.......ok she may have had them who knows ....more likely than the grapes though...M.Packer nothwithstanding!
Rob I believe this was a domestic and throwing to the ground seems likely...cachous...Oh I dunno but she may have held onto em
Suzi
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Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2758
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 6:48 pm: |
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Robert,
"Maybe, Phil, but if Kidney had just attacked her in the street, would she be likely to go into a dark yard with him and take her cachous out?"
She could have carried them anyway. He (or whoever it was) could have disturbed her when she was waiting for a client. As Phil says: "They may have been clutched in her hand the whole time.".
As for the yard, there are quite a few possible explanations to how she could have ended up there. And it was only just inside the gates.
"Ah, but surely if she was thrown down she would have dropped them?"
Well, some of them were apparently spilled out on the ground.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3840
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 7:03 pm: |
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Hi Glenn
As far as I can recall, any cachous found out of their wrapper were in the yard, not the footway outside. If Kidney = killer = broadshoulders, and she had the cachous out the whole time, then she'd have had to hold onto them while being thrown to the ground, or else bothered to pick them up afterwards, with an angry Kidney standing over her. Also, I think they were only wrapped in a folded piece of paper. I mean, it wasn't a paper bag or anything like that.
Robert |
Jeff Stone
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 10:09 pm: |
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Which would have been hotter? The fire that melted it weeks before, or a fire that burned all night on the night of the murder? Guess Abberline assumed he was being rational |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2774
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 9:45 am: |
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Hi Robert,
Yes, you're right.
*sigh* Ah, these +$¤##<!!* cachous is a nuisance to the whole investigation...They just don't fit in anywhere!
All the best
G, Sweden
(Message edited by Glenna on January 10, 2005)
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1826
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 1:11 pm: |
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Hi Glenn
Cachous!!+*^%%%"""!!!!!!! they may have been one of a series of 'gifts' tho like bonnets and other stuff tho
Suzi |
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