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Faye
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Friday, September 03, 2004 - 2:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello

Would anyone be able to provide me with information on sgt Thick? In my eyes he plays a very important part in the whole ripper story and he is a rather fascinating character to say the least :-)

I have only been able to find references in the Sourcebook (skinner/Evans) and references in other books, especially concerning the accusations and arrest of Pizer. I have also read "The People of the Abyss" in which he is referred to as Johnny Upright.

I found the following entry in the english census of 1881

Birth Year <1845>
Birthplace Bower Chalke, Wiltshire, England
Age 36
Occupation Police Sargeant
Marital Status M <married>
Head of Household William THICK
Relation Head


Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
William THICK Head M Male 36 Bower Chalke, Wiltshire, England Police Sargeant
Hannah THICK Wife M Female 30 St Georges E, Middlesex, England
Alice H. THICK Daur Female 8 St Georges E, Middlesex, England Scholar
William C. THICK Son Male 5 Mile End, Middlesex, England Scholar
Rose THICK Daur Female 2 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Ellen M. THICK Daur Female 1 m Mile End, Middlesex, England
Morgan THICK Brother U Male 27 Bower Chalke, Wiltshire, England Brewers Servant

Is anyone able to provide me with more background information on mr Thick? Anything would be helpful really :-)

regards
Faye
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
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Post Number: 2939
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 7:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Faye

In 1871 he was living at Leman St police station. He was a constable, 24, unmarried, born Salisbury Wiltshire.

I cannot find him in 1891. Heís probably been mistranscribed, but I donít know what as. He seems to have had a relative in the Force, for at Vine St police station there was a PC George Thick, 33, single, born Bowerchalke Wilts.

In 1901 he was listed as Willm Thick, 81 Dempsey St Mile End Old Town, age 56, Railway Police Inspector, born Bower Chalke, Wilts. Wife was Hannah, 51, born London St George. Children Willm, 24, single, Shop (illeg). Rose, 22, single, mantle maker. Amelia, 17, single, mantle maker. Arthur, 14, office boy. All children born Whitechapel. Plus, servant Gertrude Bridge, 14, born Wandsworth.

According to the police orders site PS Thick warrant number 49889 was transferred from P to H division May 4th 1886, having been promoted to PS 16th June 1884. He was pensioned 23 April 1893.

Robert



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Chris Scott
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Post Number: 1354
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 10:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Rob
In 1891 census, Thick's surname was transcribed as "Shirk"!
His details for that year are as follows:
81 Dempsey Street, Mile End Old Town
Head:
William Thick aged 44 born Bower Chalke, Wilts - Detective Sergeant Police
Wife:
Hannah Thick aged 40 born St. George's
Children:
Alice aged 18 born St. George's - Milliner Dress
William Charles aged 14
Rose aged 12
Amelia aged 7
John (adopted son) aged 4
The 4 youngest children all listed as born in Whitechapel.
Two lodgers are also listed:
Walters James Rogers aged 21 born Mile End - Pewterer
Edith Rogers aged 24 born Mile End - Braider (Trim)
Hope this helps
Chris
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Chris Scott
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Post Number: 1355
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Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 10:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Re: Thick
In 1891 George Thick (also born at Bowerchalke) is listed as a police constable at Vine Street Police station. He was 33 at the time.
Regarding the illegible profession for William Jnr. in 1901, it reads "Shopman, Brassfinisher."
Chris

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Robert Charles Linford
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Post Number: 2940
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Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 12:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Chris

Thanks for that. "Shirk". Oh blimey!

Robert
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Faye
Sergeant
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Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you so much. This is most helpful.

Do you happen to know if there is any more detailed information about his carreer or personal life available?

Thanks in advance
Faye :-)
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Robert Charles Linford
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Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Faye

I don't know of any articles about him, but maybe it would be worthwhile emailing the magazine editors, to see if they've published anything.

Robert
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Robert Charles Linford
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Post Number: 2942
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Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Faye, http://www.btp.police.uk/History%20Society/Publications/History%20Society/Family%20History/what%20info%20is%20available.htm might be worth a look.

Robert
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Dr. Orloff
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Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 7:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

sir,

i beg to state that through the information i have received i believe that if Sgt.Thick otherwise called "Johnny Upright" is watched and his whereabouts ascertained upon other dates where certain women have met their end, also to see what deceace he is troubled with, you will find the great secreate this is to be strictly private and my name is not to be mentioned.

yours faithfully,

Dr. O

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