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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2627
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 1:51 pm: |       |
An 1891 broadsheet is currently held at the the Bibliothèque Nationale in France, titled "Le Crime de Saint-Lumine-de-Coutais: Jack l'Eventreur". It describes a "Ripper-like" murder committed August 14th, 1891, in Saint Lumine de Coutais, France. Marie-Anne Mignonneau's throat was slashed, and her body mutilated from her groin to her chest. Her intestines were torn out and scattered upon the ground. A pork butcher named Joseph Pacaud was suspected of having committed the murder, which was eerily reminiscent of the Jack the Ripper murders of three years before.
The broadsheet is available on the Casebook at: http://casebook.org/ripper_media/rps.lumine.html
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Andy Spallek
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 6:21 pm: | |
Stephen,
This is an extremely intersting article which at first glance looked an awfully lot like a "ripper murder." Now, my French is not what it used to be and it is rather difficult to decipher some of the words clearly, but after reading it more carefully I see a great many differences.
There is some similarity to ripper murders in the language of how the lady was found with clothes disarranged and torn to leave exposed her "private parts" and in the description of how her intestines were removed and left lying about her on the ground and, strikingly, in the description of her hand still clenched in death. However, there are important diffferences:
1. The victim's injuries include a broken bone, not so with Ripper victims.
2. Although the victim was apparently killed in her home, her mutilation was relatively mild. The Ripper deomonstated what he could do in the privacy of a dwelling at Miller's Court.
3. The killer was clumsy enough to leave footprints in the ground outside the victim's home, which were matched in size to the suspect's boots. Doesn't sound like "our" Jack.
4. A goose was found also slaughtered in the same manner at the scene (the victim was a herder of geese). No such animal sacrifice in the Whitechapel murders -- though one may, of course, made allowance for their urban setting.
5. A relationship of sorts seemed to exist between the suspect and the victim which in fact, along with the suspect's eccentric behavior, is what led to him as a suspect. Police were never able to find such a connection (or at least never stated it) in the Whitechapel murders.
Andy
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Andrew Spallek
Police Constable
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 4
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 7:02 pm: | |
I must correct myself about broken bones being absent in the Whitechapel murders. I do recall onw some discussion about a "logitudinally split" femur on Mary Kelly. Also, I remember sometihng about "nicks" being mentioned in the bones of other victims.
Actually, if I understood the French of this article correctly, the bone in question could have been either "broken" or "cut."
Andy
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Diana
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diana
Post Number: 107
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 8:54 pm: | |
Translation please! My very limited French is not equal to this! |
Andrew Spallek
Police Constable
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 5
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 10:54 pm: | |
I am really not confident enough of my French either to make a literal translation. Also, many of the words are undecipherable. Perhaps I can at least provide a summary when I get the chance. Meanwhile, I'll try to answer any questions.
Andy
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Chris LeQuellec
Sergeant
Username: Chrislq
Post Number: 16
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 11:41 am: | |
I've transcript half of the article in a word format (.doc) today, i hope to finish tomorrow.
In french because i'm not sure i can translate all words, some of them are old words we're not using today in modern french and sometimes the murderer or the witness use slang.
Chris |
Chris LeQuellec
Sergeant
Username: Chrislq
Post Number: 21
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 6:21 am: | |
All the article is now in a word format (.doc), except for 2-3 words i've been able to read it.
What can we do now?
Chris |
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