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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2925
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 1:34 pm: | 
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Sam Hudson mentions the case of a prostitute he found at the height of the murders in the London Hospital - sadly he gives no date - who has been stabbed in the shoulder while fiercely resisting the efforts of a man to murder her, who had lured her to a lonely spot before attacking her.
She is described as ‘stout and agile’ |
Andrew Spallek
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 1014
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 2:16 pm: |
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Sorry, I haven't been keeping up too well lately but may I ask who is Sam Hudson and where is this mentioned?
Andy S. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5355
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 2:51 pm: |
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AP's asked me to post this :
Robert |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5357
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 3:23 pm: |
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This is the hospital item.
Robert |
Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 3332
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 4:05 pm: |
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I still have a few copies of this book (reprinted of course) for sale if anyone is interested. It was published in December 1888 or thereabouts and runs just under 80 pages in length. Quite possibly the first (certainly one of the very earliest) book-length non-fictional account of the crimes. Drop me an email if you're interested, or you can order them online at http://casebook.org/ripper_media/rps.html
Title: "Leather Apron, Or, the Horrors of Whitechapel, London, 1888"
Crass commercialism over. :-)
Stephen P. Ryder, Exec. Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Dan Norder
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 1051
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 6:16 pm: |
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Hi AP,
This is probably a reference to the report in the October 3, 1888 Daily Telegraph that a married prostitute was trying to conduct business with a john and got tripped and suffered a wound in her arm fending off a knife attack aimed at her throat, which was treated at the London Hospital. It allegedly happened between the Chapman murder and the Double Event, apparently more toward the latter.
Various researchers have looked through hospital records trying to track her down and have come up with either Susan Ward or Ellen Bisney as possibilities (and I'm sure there are threads here somewhere on them), though, as Wolf Vanderlinden points out in his October 2005 "From the Newspaper Morgue" column, neither of those two fit the time period specified by the article all that well.
The skeptic in me wonders if it's not just a mangled reference to the whole alleged James Johnson "attack" on Alice Anderson, as the time period for that incident fits fairly well and the papers were known to confuse facts quite readily.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
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Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 2050
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 6:37 am: |
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AP, Dan,
Just to follow up on Dans post.
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It begins.....
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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2931
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 10:57 am: |
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Thanks to you, Dan & Monty, for the information and links.
Yes, it is obviously the same case, the only difference I see in Hudson report is that he talks of the attack taking place in a 'lonely spot on a cross-street' and refers to a wound on the shoulder rather than the arm.
The tripping up business is provoking isn't it? |
Dan Norder
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 1054
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 4:48 pm: |
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Hi AP,
Yeah, the tripping aspect is one that gets the old gears going.
If the reports of this alleged attack are accurate, this incident may have been one of the more important clues, provided someone could sort out what's what.
It would have also been nice if the incident was mentioned in police documents related to the Whitechapel murders. It's absence is somewhat troubling. Obviously it doesn't count as a murder, but if the police thought it was connected it should have been mentioned somewhere. Not that the records we have are anywhere near complete, of course, but still.
(Which reminds me that every day we post on these boards or read a recent book on the topic we should count ourselves lucky that as many records and so forth were saved as there were, thanks to various people to whom we owe our eternal gratitude.)
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2933
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2005 - 5:44 pm: |
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It is intriguing isn’t it, Dan?
I am searching for more information.
But meanwhile, because I like to keep things in the family, here is the Trapp that likes to ‘trip’ when he tries to kill:
‘Q. What further passed - A. I turned round to see what it was, and he tripped me up; I fell on my left side, and immediately I was down I received three blows on the side of my head, from a weapon which was afterwards produced; it was a little hatchet. I was hardly able to move; I had no power to move till the blood ran profusely down to my mouth which I think revived me. I then seized him by the neckcloth and said,
"Oh you murdering villain." He then dragged me out of the front parlour into the passage; I was on my feet but I do not know how I came there; I continued to hold him all the time, and when in the passage he tripped me up again; I fell on my right side and there I received several blows on the left side with the same instrument.’
That sounds about right to me. |
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