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Author: Ashleah Skinner Friday, 30 August 2002 - 11:40 pm
Today she was killed 5 years to the day. Who or what killed her is a mystery but i know who did it. Former SIS Agents tell the truth and name them look for yourself http://www.aliceinwonderland.com/mathaba/data/sis/mi6-list.html
Author: Peter R.A. Birchwood Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 05:32 am
I never had very much patience with Diana POW and still deplore the outpouring of schmaltz taht followed her untimely demise. However, even given the general incompetence of all security services ( and with national pride I must say that dreadful as they are, the SIS is immeasurably better than the apalling CIA, FBI and NSC,) I would suggest that even they could have picked a surer and more efficient way of knocking off a Princess than a car crash which, had she had a grain of sense and been wearing her seat belt, she would almost certainly have survived. I've looked at the website mentioned and notice, without too much surprise that the source appears to be a Lyndon Larouche organisation. According to Robert Anton Wilson, Larouche is convinced that the British Royal Family is: "...one of the most sinister forces in the galaxy." He suggests that an Anflo-American Cabal rules thw world and one of the major co-conspirators is George Bush the elder. It follows therefore that accusations of a House of Windsor involvement in doing in Diana needs to be looked at carefully in the light of these prejudices. It is as likely as other accusations that both Bush's as well as members of the Royal family are 7-foot reptilloids in disguise. By the way, my kidney transplant was shortly after the Diana decease. Coincidence?
Author: Christopher T George Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 05:42 am
Hi, Peter: Unlike you I did not detect the Larouche connection to this information but am glad to know about it. I agree that the involvement of the Larouche organization, a group very adept at making wild claims, makes this supposed information suspect. I was told at one time that the Larouche people might be funded by the CIA in order to discredit the U.S. left. Knowing the wierd and wonderful ways the CIA operates, that would not surprise me. In any case, the allegation of British SIS involvement in Diana's death smacks very much of the JtR Royal conspiracy. As you say, Peter, there would have been easier ways to have bumped off the Princess. All the best Chris George
Author: Howard Brown Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 08:46 am
Mr.George.....that comment about the CIA setting up their own leftist front to discredit real leftist/liberal outfits is probably true. I know that the Left and US Govt. have given "seed money" to a few right-wing/racist outfits( The Louisiana Klan in the late 70's under Bill Wilkinson,a long-time FBI informant and some of those neo-Nazi groups that were actually led by self-hating Jews themselves(Danny Burros,Frank Collin to name two off the top of my head).......As far as the LaRouche people go,I had the "pleasure" of asking some questions to a normal-looking female door-to-door leaflet disseminator a few years ago. I asked her about Britain's role in the "evils of the world" and her eyes rolled back. It was as if I asked to see some of her children's pictures. She rambled on on how England,led by their Royal family,has been behind all of the world's oil,terrorist,financial,and social ills...I asked why would they do that.She said because since they will never be back "on top",they want to do their best to make the rest of us suffer.....
Author: Howard Brown Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 08:47 am
Mr.George.....that comment about the CIA setting up their own leftist front to discredit real leftist/liberal outfits is probably true. I know that the Left and US Govt. have given "seed money" to a few right-wing/racist outfits( The Louisiana Klan in the late 70's under Bill Wilkinson,a long-time FBI informant and some of those neo-Nazi groups that were actually led by self-hating Jews themselves(Danny Burros,Frank Collin to name two off the top of my head).......As far as the LaRouche people go,I had the "pleasure" of asking some questions to a normal-looking female door-to-door leaflet disseminator a few years ago. I asked her about Britain's role in the "evils of the world" and her eyes rolled back. It was as if I asked to see some of her children's pictures. She rambled on on how England,led by their Royal family,has been behind all of the world's oil,terrorist,financial,and social ills...I asked why would they do that.She said because since they will never be back "on top",they want to do their best to make the rest of us suffer....Later
Author: Graham Jay Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 10:50 am
I totally agree with Peter's comments regarding the OTT reaction to the death of Diana. But worse than that is the fact that a huge area of one of our public parks (ie Hyde Park) is to be taken away from Londoners and turned into a rather tacky memorial. Still, Diana would have loved it - anything that drew attention to her and got her picture in the papers was fine with her. Roll on the republic!
Author: Monty Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 11:07 am
Peter and Graham, Man Im glad Im not alone. If it was a royal conspiracy I'll be blowed if I can see how it benefitted them. Now she is a Martyr.....for what ??....attending operations and shaking hands with those poor kids blown up by mines. Honour the real heros ! Che Monty
Author: Ashleah Skinner Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 12:39 pm
The site is not that organisation. Some information comes from the organisation. Read this from the Al Fayed who lost Dodi in the crash at http://www.aliceinwonderland.com/data/sis/fayed.html
Author: Ashleah Skinner Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 12:51 pm
Also it's not a royal conspriacy but it might explain why they wouldn't let Diana's own Catholic mother the day she died which was against her religious beliefs and Richard your name is somewhat familiar. A Spy perhaps? The person who did the site, well who helped is Ricky Tomlinson http://www.thebigbreach.com and because of that site if he returns to British Soil he will be arrested under The Official Secrets Act and the site prints agents names, real documents etc i believe in it and please remember there are covers ups and thats what Inteligence Services are here for
Author: Graham Jay Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 02:29 pm
Remember Ashleigh, while there are no doubt plenty of conspiracies in the world, not everything is! Any time a public figure dies, someone will come out with a conspiracy theory. Anyway, a lot of the ones I've heard about seem to have been started by Al Fayed, and he's always struck me as being one can short of a sixpack. I mean, as if the Duke of Edinburgh would take time out to have Diana killed while there are so many foreigners in the world yet to be insulted! And as for you, Citizen Monty - POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!
Author: Peter R.A. Birchwood Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 03:24 pm
Graham: Republics don't work. But I do agree that nothing became Diana so much as the nature of her passing. The Heavenly Host probably have to put in miles of shelves every year just for her celestial press-clippings. Ashleah: What does work is: http://www.aliceinwonderland.com/mathaba/data/sis/ What you get there is frankly a lot of extreme weirdness: references to the Committee of 300 - another Larouche conspitacy theory, an open letter from Mohammed Al-Fayed complete with a nice photo of Harrods, a review of a book supposedly by Stephen Dorrill and due for publication March 2000 naming Nelson Mandela as an MI6 agent (did that ever come out?), a statement that something called www.mathaba.net has forced MI5 to change its phone number and a lot of stuff about British dissidents having their brains deliberately fried by electromagnetic radiation and having SIS staffers on call at their local phone exchange raising and lowering the "gain" (?) to prevent them connecting with the internet. And I thought that it was just BT incompetence! Frankly, Ashleah, although some of this stuff may indeed be right and although it is certainly conceivable that our various Governments are conspiring against us everywhere we turn, my opinion is that 90% of what is on this site is written by and for card-carrying fruitcakes. And having had to go through the main Aliceinwonderland site to get to this collection of dubious tat, I would suggest that someone who is the age that you claim you are should have nothing to do with what is a collection of pseudo-intellectual pornography, leavened with grotesque and violent images which might make even us hardened ripper researchers blink. Incidentally, Mathaba.net is a lot of fun. Although the person behind it is sufficiently modest not to give any clues to his identity, it does appear to be centred in Libya, there is a friendly photo of Al-Qadhafi looking as though he's hurt his head, a nice revolutionary picture of the same circled by sattelite dishes and a note saying that it is "created by the Australian Revolutionary Committees"(!)
Author: Ashleah Skinner Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 04:05 pm
Peter, I never claimed the site was indeed 100% true but some is i think 40% true 60% false. I am 15 i have valid documentation which is a NHS medical card, UK passport, Birth Certificate and a Debit Card with Bank Account i think it proves who i am. I admit some of the sites info is false but it is the same with the ripper quite frankly and you can order that book from amazon i think. Look Peter it feels as if your against me, i do not come here to cause trouble, just to share info which certain people might find of interest. People have a freedom of speech and the right to an open mind so i do not understand your superior attitude to me!
Author: Peter R.A. Birchwood Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 06:51 pm
Ashleah: "I never claimed the site was indeed 100% true..." I think that you're backtracking on this because judging by what you said earlier you did indeed believe what this site told you: "The site is about the cover-ups of UKs MI5 and MI6 Intelligence Agencies. Real Agents tell the truth on this site and Special Branch et al can not do anything about it so visit You Aint seen nothing yet." "Today she was killed 5 years to the day. Who or what killed her is a mystery but i know who did it. Former SIS Agents tell the truth and name them look for yourself " "...the site prints agents names, real documents etc i believe in it and please remember there are covers ups and thats what Inteligence Services are here for." Let me be precise about my concerns regarding the aliceinwonderland site. I've skimmed through what it has to offer and a lot of it is not what I would have wanted my son to see when he was 15. (He's now 27.) If you can take it, good luck to you but as they used to say: "caveat emptor." Let the buyer beware. Take the list of SIS officers for example. It may be accurate and I can certainly vouch for its accuracy in at least one name. But how do we know that the other names are accurate or that they even exist? Take the very idea that Prince Phillip ordered the SIS to assasinate his wayward ex-daughter-in-law. How sensible is it to force a large car to run at speed into the side of a tunnel in the hope that the target inside will be killed? As it is there is no reasonable doubt that if Diana had worn her seatbelt she would almost certainly have survived the accident. When you are trying to knock someone off, you try to avoid random factors. One of the problems in a site like the Casebook is the person who reads one ripper book and is visited by a heavenly voice that tells him that a certain suspect must undoubtedly have been the ripper. That person will accept everything not matter how minute that might make his suspect more likely and ignore everything no matter how major that might make his suspect extremely unlikely to be the killer. I'm sure that you have seen samples of this sort of behaviour on these boards. What I am trying to say is: don't let someone convince you of something without yourself investigating their claims. In the ripper world some suspects are intrinsicly unlikely: Maybrick, Conder, Carroll etc. Some are more likely: Druitt, Tumblety, Cohen-Kosminski, etc.Read all the books before deciding. Don't think that I'm against you. You are enthusiastic in that when you discover something you want to share it with us, which is fine. But enthusiasm must be tempered with some patience and a little scholarship.If tomorrow you read David Icke, don't immediately assume that most of the Western leaders are disguised 7-foot lizards from the constellation Draco. He may be wrong. I'm sure that you are not here to cause trouble. I've read with interest your past posts. People here do have a certain degree of free speech within the limits set by the moderators and every one has the right to an open mind. This however means that you must give me the right to disagree with you and to challenge your comments as I have done tonight. And I think that you are wrong about my "superior attitude." I have done you the courtesy of discussing this matter with you on level terms. I disagree with what you have said but, again, I might be wrong. The world is a far stranger place than any of us can imagine and it is even possible that George W. is a 7-foot reptillian with a seraglio of human sex slaves.
Author: Divia deBrevier Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 02:04 am
Time for me to put my two cents in... I was sad when Diana died. Sad for her children, sad for the people that loved her, sad for me, too. I grew up here in the US idolizing her. When she walked down the aisle to be married in a storybook wedding, I watched it. It fed into my girlhood dreams of a storybook wedding too. I remember where I was and what I was doing when I found out about her accident. I found myself feeling sad about it. I think I even cried a little, thinking about how I would feel if my mother died, especially if it was before her time. I went to the British Embassy down in DC and paid my respects. I said my prayers for Diana and her family. And I got on with my life. I did not feel like I lost a family member, but I recognized that the world lost someone that was doing some good work no matter what her motivation may have been. It was sad, it was tragic. But sad, tragic things happen every day to many people that no one ever heard of. Check out your city morgue and see how many people have died with no family members to claim them, none to mourn them... that's tragic. Go to a nursing home and see how many people never have family members visit them before they die... that's tragic. Maybe it's because I am a woman that I reacted differently to the death of Princess Diana. Women tend to be more emotional. However, I don't think that I got wrapped up in the Dianamania as so many others have. We bury the dead and take care of the living. That is the way of things. I have seen some of the television programs that have shown some of the evidence regarding a conspiracy theory. Some of it has made me think. Some of it is very farfetched. And, like many of the theories on the Ripper, the facts have been bent to fit the theory. At this point in time, I don't have any specifics; it is 2 am now and I am operating on very little sleep. But I can dig it up if someone wants me to. Personally, I have grown up a Military Brat. My father is a nuclear engineer. I have lived in many different places and seen many things. It has been in my experience to believe everything that my federal government tells me to, regardless of whether or not it is fact. If they tell me it is true, then it must be in my best interest for me to accept it. Warm regards, Divia
Author: Simon Owen Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 09:25 am
My microwave oven went kaput at the exact minute that Diana died : this is a fact. A large black hole burnt in the top of it and smoked billowed out. I have a witness to support this too. Up until that day , the microwave had worked perfectly. I'd love to debate whether Diana was murdered by security forces , there is evidence both for and against ( admittedly , mostly against ). Anyone want to start the ball rolling ? For the record , I believe she was murdered ( conspiracy theorist ahoy ! ) Simon
Author: Garry Ross Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 11:43 am
Simon, I think she might well have been 'bumped off', they tested particles found at the scene and strangely enough they found microwaves!!!! Your microwave strikes me as acting suspiciously by donning a black wig as a disguise afterwards and I expect it also changed residence shortly after too eh? Now all I need is a motive and we're in business 'Al' Fayed bought the Clan Ross castle at Balnagown, painted it pink and stuck a huge satellite dish to it - so the man's a madman!! (He also added the Al to his name as a sign of self-importance and he can get our coat of arms off the gate too..he has no right to that at all) take care,(and beware of suspicious looking microwaves), Garry with tongue so firmly in cheek it's gone right through
Author: Garry Ross Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 12:53 pm
I now predict this thread will die too like most I add my madness to (although I now predict that someone might post just to prove me wrong) take care Garry
Author: Howard Brown Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 01:50 pm
As a working American man and one who disdains the notion of "royalty",I think the British revere this woman the same way a lot of Americans revered the Kennedy coterie. I ain't knocking the woman,who did a lot of "appearances' much like an American politician. However,this cult-like aura that surrounds a good looking and approachable woman seems way overblown. She wanted that sort of life? She got it..in spades. As much as I am proud to be 1/2 English,I probably will never be able to understand the overt interest in her. One thing that I have augmented in my learning process here at the Casebook is the hatred I have for an assumption of unearned designation as royalty. Royalty is found in all classes.
Author: David O'Flaherty Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 02:31 pm
Currently, there are a few stories circulating in the American media that Diana has been 'somewhat forgotten' by the British public. Many times, when talk of her surfaces with some of my British friends, their comments are most often negative, and I wonder if she was more admired abroad than in England. I remember standing in a crowd waiting for a glimpse of Diana during her last visit to Chicago (I only managed to see the top of her head, though--the crowd was massive). While most Americans (like Howard, I'm one of them) dismiss the idea of monarchy in our own country, we certainly exhibit a strange fascination with the British royal family. I guess it's a blend of romance and sense of history that gets us. Love her, hate her--she was certainly an iconic figure. Just like Divia, I remember exactly where I was when I heard she died and how I felt. Events like that, when it seems the whole world stops to take notice, are on a short list (I don't think I'd seen such a public display of grief since John Lennon was murdered in 1980, and before September 11th, I hadn't seen anything else like it since). Cheers, Dave
Author: Andy & Sue Parlour Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 03:26 pm
Hello All, It was a tragic accident. What a lot of people forget is the car. Six weeks before the terrible event the car had been sent to the enginneers for a major overhaul, one of the complaints from the many drivers in the employ of the Al Fayed family was that this particular vehicle had problems with its engine management system and was running eractically. In plain English the 'Brain Box'was playing up. This piece of apparatus controls everything electrical amd most mechanical operations of the car, including fuel mixture, flow and accelerator settings. All this hi-tech equipment is set by computers in the workshop. Is it not feasible that a major malfunction took place? Making the car uncontrolable? After all witnesses did say it suddenly took off like a rocket! The driver could have been totally innocent of all the charges thrown against him. Just a theory. A.
Author: David O'Flaherty Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 03:42 pm
Hey, Andy, how's it going? That's an interesting theory, but I think the major malfunction was the driver who was drunk as a skunk, and the misplaced machismo of Dodi Al-Fayed. I hadn't heard about this claim by other drivers of Mr. Al-Fayed, so thanks for posting it. I wonder, though, if these drivers were still in his employ at the time they made this claim? Mr. Al-Fayed's charges of conspiracy seem, to me, to mask his fear of a lawsuit being brought against him. Cheers, Dave
Author: Jeff Bloomfield Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 03:46 pm
Actually, David was slightly off when he said there was no similar degree of sorrow except for the death of John Lennon in 1980. There was the tragic airplane crash killing John F. Kennedy Jr. and his wife and sister-in-law two years after Diana's date with destiny. Considering that JFK Jr. was never elected to any political office, and was the editor of a magazine, his death was treated (at least in the northeast U.S.A.) like that of a head of state. To me both deaths were sad, for their families and the public who knew the people. So was the death of Mother Theresa around the time of Diana's death. But hey, I was also fascinated by the demise of Sinatra, DiMaggio, and recently Ted Williams and Hoyt Wilhelm. When prominent people die their deaths are newsworthy. Even when they are forgotten. About five years back it was belatedly announced that the silent screen actress and star Vilma Banky (who used to be teamed in silent films with the then silent star Ronald Colman) had died months earlier, having long survived all her friends (including Colman, who died in 1958). She was so disgusted that nobody ever sought her out for an interview that she decided not to have her death announced! [Ready for that close - up, St. Peter?] Jeff
Author: David O'Flaherty Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 04:00 pm
Hi, Jeff I always forget about JFK Jr. The publicity surrounding his passing is always overshadowed by the unexpected death of my brother the next day, and I missed most of it as I spent much of that weekend driving from Tennessee to Maine. Best, Dave
Author: Simon Owen Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 07:54 pm
Vilma Banky - ' The Son of the Sheik ' !
Author: Simon Owen Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 09:06 pm
Okay then , since nobody is gonna bite the bullet , here are some questions about the Diana case that should be answered : 1) Since there was the possibility that the crash was caused by an assassination attempt on a member of the Royal Family , why hasn't there been an independent British secret service/MI6 investigation into the cause of the crash or the causes of Diana's death ? If this was a terrorist attack , one would fear that another Royal such as Prince Charles might be next. 2) How come the speed camera at the entrance to the Alma tunnel was not working on the night of the crash ? 3) In a news article of September 8th 1997 Trevor Rees-Jones ( the only survivor ) was reported as telling his mother how sad he felt about the accident , yet 4 days later a further news report stated that TR-J was unconscious most of the time , and that he was not fit enough to be told about the accident ! TR-J , the bodyguard , had fastened his seatbelt before impact , yet bodyguards do not travel with their seatbelts fastened while on duty in case they need to be ready for action. If driver Henri Paul had been drunk and driving erratically at high speed , why did TR-J not ' coldcock ' Paul and stop the car ? His duty after all was to protect Dodi Fayed. 4) Alexander Wingfield categorically stated that ' nothing indicated (Henri) Paul was drunk ' in the 2 hours before the crash that night. Trevor Rees-Jones stated he was convinced Paul was not drunk that night. So how come such a high level of alcohol appeared in Paul's blood sample ? And no-one has explained where the carbon monoxide traces in Paul's blood came from either. 5) Who prescribed Henri Paul anti-depressants ? According to people who knew him , Paul was not clinically depressed. 6) Lets look at the mysterious case of James Andanson , a millionaire French photographer. French investigators found paint found on the side-view mirror of the Mercedes came from Andanson's white Fiat Uno , suggesting very strongly that Andanson was involved in the crash. Indeed Andanson left Paris at dawn that day bound for Corsica. The white Fiat was repainted in early September 1997 and then sold in the October. Forward now to early May 2000 , and Andanson was in high spirits after getting a new job at the Sipa press agency in Paris. On May 5th 2000 however , Andanson's charred body was found in his burnt-out car in the South of France , police gave the verdict as suicide. Did Andanson know more than he told ? On 16th June 2000 , one week after Andanson's death was made public , three masked men burgled the Sipa offices and made off with cameras , hard-drives and laptops. Was this incident connected to Andanson's death ? Within hours of the crash , British and French secret service personnel raided various homes and offices of photo-agency personnel desperately searching for any transmitted photos of the crash site ? Why ? British intelligence was absolutely hyperactive on the morning of September 1st 1997 , seeking out any photos that might have been transmitted from Paris. Lionel Cherrualt , a British based Sipa photographer , had his home broken into at c.3.30am September 1st 1997 and although no credit cards , cash or jewelry was taken computer software to enable photographic transmission was stolen , along with his wife's car. Serrault was later told by police that the burgulary was the work of British agents , that his home had been targeted , and that ' not to worry , your lives were not in danger '. Earlier that evening a photographer had offered photos from the crash site , although the deal fell through. Darryn Lyons , the manager of a photo agency which had recieved pictures of the crash site , had his office broken into at c. 12 midnight on September 1st 1997 as well. 7) Why has no British inquest been conducted into Diana's death - if a British citizen dies abroad , isn't it mandatory that this must be done ? 8) What day was Diana killed ? Does the date seem familiar ?