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Julius Lipman

Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion : Julius Lipman
Author: chris scott
Saturday, 01 February 2003 - 04:51 pm
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Hi all
I am currently researching various newspaper sources and have come across an article which names a suspect I had never seen before. I have used the "search" facility on Casebook but it found nothing.
The article in question is from the News of the World dated 21 October 1900. The article is entitled "A 'Jack the Ripper' Suspect Dead" and reads as follows:

"The death has just occurred in the East-end of London of Julius Lipman, nicknamed "Leather Apron", a cobbler, who in 1889 fell under suspicion of being "Jack the Ripper". He satisfied the police of his innocence but the stigma never left him. His business gradually disappeared, and he went to another neighbourhood where he took to drink. He died of neglect and semi-starvation."

I have checked in the 1881 census but can find no individual of this name. I thought the Leather Apron nickname had been firmly fixed on Pizer.
If anyone knows antthing about this individual and his involvement, I'd be very grateful to hear. I will be following up as part of my research and will post here anything of interest I find
Regards
Chris Scott

Author: Moonlite
Saturday, 01 February 2003 - 09:50 pm
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chris scott,

I wonder if there is any connection between the name Lipman that you discovered to the name that comes up on a regular basis of Lipski.

The name was yelled out the night that Stride was murdered I believe.

julie

Author: The Viper
Sunday, 02 February 2003 - 07:36 am
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Interesting find here, Chris. You might want to check under the surname Lepman as a near alternative spelling.
Regards, V.

Author: chris scott
Sunday, 02 February 2003 - 08:09 am
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Hi Viper
Many thanks for the suggestion
There was only one family of Lepmans in the area in the 1881 census:
Abraham LEPMAN Head M Male 53 Germany Glasier
Amelia LEPMAN Wife M Female 50 Germany
Karl LEPMAN Son U Male 18 Germany Shoe Maker
Woolf LEPMAN Son U Male 20 Germany Shoe Maker
The address was 20 Plumber's Row which, interesting, was the next road to Mulberry Street where Pizer lived and actually ran down into Berner Street. From this it looks possible that it was in connection with the Stride murder that Lipman came under suspicion.
I'm including the article itself below which I have now scanned
Regards
Chris

lipman

Author: Chris Phillips
Sunday, 02 February 2003 - 08:35 am
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Is it possible that this actually is Pizer, having changed his name as a result of the "stigma"?

It seems odd if this "Julius Lipman" was a different person, and was notorious enough for his business to be ruined, but has been unnoticed by previous Ripper researches.

This would require "1889" to be an error for "1888".

Perhaps Lipman's death certificate would shed some light on his identity.

Author: chris scott
Sunday, 02 February 2003 - 09:44 am
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Hi Chris
I followed up what you suggested and found something rather interesting.
There were 4 Lipman deaths registered in 1900 but none under the name of Julius.
However, in September 1900 the death of a JOHN PIZER was registered at Grantham. He was aged 67.
Considering the newspaper article dates from October 1900, this is food for thought!
The full details are:
Surname PIZER
First name JOHN
Age 67
District GRANTHAM
Volume 7a
Page 287

Thanks for the lead
Chris S

Author: chris scott
Monday, 03 February 2003 - 02:29 pm
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LIPMAN in 1881 census


I have searched for the name LIPMAN (including variant spellings) under any trade to do with cobbling, shoemaking etc and the following LIPMANs emerged:

Richard LIPMAN
47 Wick Road
Aged 37 born Hackney
Bootmaker

Charles LIPMAN
398 Hackney Road
Aged 28 born Germany
Boot maker for men

Isaac LIPMAN
10 Marian Street
Aged 48
Boot rivetter

Isaac LIPMAN (son of above at same address)
Aged 15 born Bethnal Green
Boot Rivetter

Philip LIPMAN
124 Cambridge Road
Aged 23 born Stafford
Shoemaker


For any fan of Robin Odell's "shochet" theory I thought I'd also include the following:

Niman LIPMAN
23 Scarborough Street
Aged 38 born Poland
Jewish slaughterer (Butcher)

CS

Author: Scott Nelson
Monday, 03 February 2003 - 05:23 pm
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From the 1891 Census: Isaac Lipman, 44, a coffee house keeper with two adult children, Lazarus and Rosie, who were a bootmaker and leather maker, respectively. Address: 40 New Street, Aldgate. Interestingly, this is the same adress of Hyam Hyams, the lunatic who was locked away in Colney Hatch Asylum on January 4, 1890. However, Hyam Hyams appears on the census at this time, apparently reported by his wife to the census enumerator. The Hyams and Lipman families were recorded as sharing this premise with another family in the 1891 census.
(RG/12/235/f20/p31).

Author: chris scott
Monday, 03 February 2003 - 06:57 pm
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Scott
Many thanks for that!!This is getting complicated - but interesting!! Any further progress I'll post asap
Regards
Chris


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