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"Blotchy Face Man"
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion :
"Blotchy Face Man"
Author: Diana
Saturday, 27 April 2002 - 08:01 am |        | Ok, so JTR would have waited till Mrs. Cox was gone and then executed a blitz type attack. Don't forget, he was very good at silencing them quickly, and, when there was a cry of "murder" in the neighborhood nobody paid any attention because it was so common.
The reason BFM has been a serious candidate is because Hutchinson's story strains credulity. I don't want to go into it at length because this is the wrong thread, but there has been considerable discussion of this on the Hutchinson thread. |
Author: Harry Mann
Sunday, 28 April 2002 - 04:29 am | | Perhaps the term Blotchy Face is misleading.As Cox was following the couple, her view would be of the back of the person,and as the Court was in complete darkness(statement of Prater),it is doubtful that the facial features could be observed in the dark passage outside Kelly's door.
H.Mann. |
Author: Diana
Sunday, 28 April 2002 - 09:09 am | | | Of course Douglas says MO can change. I suppose he could have sat around listening to her sing for awhile first. It just seems less likely to me. |
Author: Jeff D
Monday, 29 April 2002 - 05:39 am | | Hello all !!!
Hutchinsons suspect has always appeared to be too convenient. Even Mary Kelly's nocturnal perambulations are uncorroborated, just as the sighting of her the following day with morning sickness. Mr. Astrahkan is all too perfect in my opinion and could very well be a figment of Hutchinsons imagination or a composite of other suspicious looking men he had seen. Why Hutch would lie however, is another story.
With regards to the attack on Kelly itself, there are extremely good indications that she was well aware of the impending attack. Defensive wounds on her forearms look very much like a feeble attempt at self defense. There are other points also, that make this attack slightly different from others committed outdoors.
I have always been intrigued with Mary's singing. A person usually has to be in a happy mood, high spirits or some highly emotional condition to sing outloud to themselves. Considering all of Mary's recent troubles, with the fact that she, herself was close to being thrown out on the street for lack of rent monies, her problems with Joseph Barnett, along with possible troubles with other male suitors or acquaintances, has always caused me to wonder just what made her feel in such happy spirits that fateful evening.
Blotchy Faced Man was the last man known to have seen Mary Kelly alive. He just has to be considered a reasonable suspect. Other characteristics too, of his physical description are very similar to earlier sightings of a man last seen with a victim prior to discovery of the body, and I am convinced this was the same man who attacked Ada Wilson.
I do welcome comments whether pro or con to my argument so thank you all for your input so far.
Regards
Jeff D |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Monday, 29 April 2002 - 06:54 am | | Hello Jeff(D), I would agree with everything you say Jeff except the reason for Kelly's vomiting in the street. There's nothing to prove Kelly was pregnant, is there?. The doctors didn't find any trace of pregnancy, did they?, --but I would say it was a very good reason for a touched in the head killer to take Kelly to pieces. In speculation, it could be that "Jack" was looking for a feotus that had no relationship to him,-- then not finding it,-- descended deeper into his rage and completely destroyed Kelly.
Like you I think Kelly wasn't killed quick. I think she knew whose clutches she was in, and I think it was his intention for her to know,-- as punishment,-- remember what had been said, "Marie had a terrible fear of the murders and Jack the Ripper, she had me read all the newspaper reports to her.
Rick
The drink, Jeff,-- you can drink yourself into a good mood or a bad one,-- it depends. |
Author: Monty
Monday, 29 April 2002 - 07:28 am | | Peter,
There you have it. Thats why BFM is a realistic suspect, more than Maybrick......he was seen with a victim. Monty stands back and waits for the fallout,
Jeff,
I have the feeling that Mary was relaxed in BFM's company, She didnt feel threatened in any way. I just think she was too pesched to be anything else but happy.
Monty
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Author: maria giordano
Monday, 29 April 2002 - 02:01 pm | | Monty,
What does "pesched" mean?
As for the singing, of course people sing when they're unhappy. It's called The Blues.
Thanks, Maria |
Author: Jeff D
Tuesday, 30 April 2002 - 05:46 am | | Hello all !
Yes, people sing when they are happy and they also sing when they are very sad. That is the point I am trying to make. Either way the person singing is in a highly emotional condition.
A person doesn't sing when they are just feeling OK, you do sing when you are feeling in extremely high spirits, also when very drunk, etc., or when you are feeling way down low.
A person doesn't just break out into song when they are feeling just..... OK, like y'know ?!?!? This is why I have always been interested in BFM. Why did he have such an effect on Mary Jane to cause her to break into song?
Kind Regards
Jeff D |
Author: Monty
Tuesday, 30 April 2002 - 07:46 am | | Maria,
"Pesched" is a crude word used in Glasgow. Its English translation is "p*ssed".....drunk to a lady such as yourself.
Jeff,
Thats right. He did have an effect. This is why I feel that Mary knew him quite well and was relaxed with him. Would you sing infront of a stranger ? Perhaps a fellow Iorish? Someone who reminded her of home or a relation?
Monty
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Author: Peter Wood
Tuesday, 30 April 2002 - 12:15 pm | | Monty
Are you a Jock? Haven't you seen that photograph in The Queen's Legs in Stirling? You know the one, James and Michael Maybrick in kilts, with their arms around Mary Jane Kelly and Catherine Eddowes.
Bring back Hadrian's Wall, that's what I say!
With love Monty, you hairy a**ed, ginger haired, wee scottish haggis.
Peter.
Waiting for one of the "lurkers" to jump in and accuse me of being a racist. Listen, if Anne Robinson can say all that about the Welsh, then I can say what I like about the Scots. |
Author: Monty
Wednesday, 01 May 2002 - 07:31 am | | Peter,
A'way ye sassnach. Ye greet ba' o onglish pudden.
Ye cannae control us sa ye had tae build a wall tae keep us oot, ye saft skinned, bandy legged wimman !
A'way hameward an think agin !
McMonty
No, my Mum is. |
Author: Peter Wood
Wednesday, 01 May 2002 - 12:53 pm | | That would explain it.
Och aye tha noo.
Peter. |
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