Author: Gary Gillies
Friday, 08 November 2002 - 03:45 pm |        |
Hi,
Can someone tell me if the rumours are true that more photos do exsist and they might be in private hands?
I heard that someone had a photo album and they were going to look it out for someone but they died, any truth to any of this if so who was it?
Thanks,
Gary. |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Friday, 08 November 2002 - 04:11 pm | |
Hi Gary,
When I visited the late Eric Barton, the retired antiquarian book-dealer at Richmond, he told me that when he had acquired part of the collection of George R. Sims it included some Ripper victim photographs. He said that they included the well-known shot of Kelly, but there were others too.
I was in touch with Eric, then in his mid-eighties, for a while and he said he was sure that the photographs were somewhere in his house. Unfortunately he died and the photographs never turned up. I think that this must be the story you are referring to.
Best Wishes,
Stewart |
Author: Jason Raymond Stone
Friday, 08 November 2002 - 04:13 pm | |
I am aware of only two seoarate photos of Mary kelly's room-both of these are available on Casebook and even the second of these I was unaware of until I discovered Casebook.
I would like to know if anybody else has heard of this rumours of other photos.? |
Author: Gary Gillies
Friday, 08 November 2002 - 07:11 pm | |
Hi Stewart,
Thanks for the reply, that is exactly the story I was refering to!
Did you ever follow it up with any of Erics family as the photos might still be there somewhere?
Also who was George R. Sims?
Thanks,
Gary. |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 03:36 am | |
Hi Gary,
I was in touch with Eric's widow for a while and then she moved. At the time I felt it inappropriate to ask about Eric's collection.
George R. Sims (1847-1922) was a famous author, journalist, playwright and criminologist of his day and wrote extensively on the Ripper murders in the Sunday Referee at the time. You will find him mentioned in many Ripper books and on this site. He was a personal friend of Macnaghten from whom, presumably, he obtained crime scene photographs. I have a few items from his collection that I purchased from Eric at the time I obtained the Littlechild letter (which was written to Sims).
Best Wishes,
Stewart |
Author: Peter R.A. Birchwood
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 05:22 am | |
| About three years ago on BBC-TV's Antique Roadshow, I saw a fleeting glimpse of a photo album one page of which showed what seemed to be a version of the Eddowes against the wall photo. Unfortunately I didn't see all of the section so don't know who owned it. |
Author: Gary Gillies
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 10:44 am | |
Hi Stewart,
Thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions.
Why was the Mary Kelly crime scean the only one photographed or did they take other photos of the other sites at the time of the murders and they too are lost?
Thanks,
Gary. |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 12:41 pm | |
Hi Gary,
The only known photographs of actual Ripper crime scene photographs taken at the time are the Kelly ones. Other than that we have only the Foster sketches of the Mitre Square murder, two of which show Eddowes' body in situ.
Best Wishes,
Stewart |
Author: Gary Gillies
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 05:26 am | |
Hi Stewart,
I have just watched the video Jack the Rippers London and saw some photos of the murder sites taken sometime after the murders, they had a white arrow pointing to the locations, what book did these photos come out of as I have been looking for it for some time?
Also nice photo of you and Johnny Depp! How was he, where did you meet?
Thanks,
Gary. |
Author: Esther Wilson
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 08:40 am | |
Stewart, I would like to see the picture of you and Johnny Depp that Gary mentioned. Is it here on the Casebook site somewhere?
Esther |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 09:25 am | |
Gary,
The book that contains photographs of the murder locations with white arrows pointing to the sites is Jack the Ripper A New Theory by William Stewart, London, Quality Press, 1939. It is exceedingly rare and usually very expensive when found on the second-hand market.
Esther,
I'm not sure which photo it was of me with Johnny Depp, but I shall try and post one here, although I have had problems posting pictures lately.
Best Wishes,
Stewart |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 09:39 am | |
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Author: Stewart P Evans
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 09:43 am | |
It worked this time! It's a shot of me with Johnny on the set of the From Hell movie in Prague.
Best Wishes,
Stewart |
Author: Gary Gillies
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 12:15 pm | |
Hi Stewart,
Great photo! Thats Johnny Depp on the left!!!???
Have you ever seen the film of the backyard of Hanbury St, I think it was featured in a documentory about famous London sites filmed in the 1960s with James Mason? If so whats it like?
Thanks for all you help over the past few day Stewart.
Gary. |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 03:20 pm | |
Gary,
I wish I had some of Johnny's good looks and his money!
Yes I have a copy of the James Mason film The London Nobody Knows, it's quite good for showing the East End of the 1960's and contains the unique footage shot in the backyard of 29 Hanbury Street. It is amazing just how small that yard really was.
It was made in 1967 the very year that I went around the East End murder sites photographing them. 29 Hanbury Street was still there then and I took four shots of it. I even scraped some of the faded green paint off the left-hand front door, the one the Ripper used, as a souvenir. The right-hand front door giving access to the shop was not there in 1888, it was a later addition.
Pleased to be of help.
All the best,
Stewart |
Author: Gary Gillies
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 05:21 pm | |
Hi Stewart,
The video sounds great also the photos you took!
Could you email me at chapter.one.music@ntlworld.com if you have a miniute?
I still think Johnny Depp the one on the left!!
Thanks,
Gary |
Author: Paula Wolff
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 06:47 pm | |
May I ask where I could find this picture of Johnny Depp on the site? Or was it personal? I would like to see it. The movie was interesting but not accurate is some things. Poor Masons get the blame for a lot of things, don't they?
Paula |
Author: Paula Wolff
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 06:51 pm | |
May I ask where I could find this picture of Johnny Depp on the site? Or was it personal? I would like to see it. The movie was interesting but not accurate is some things. Poor Masons get the blame for a lot of things, don't they?
Paula |
Author: Lisa Jane Turner
Monday, 11 November 2002 - 06:25 am | |
Dear Stewart
Many years ago during a brief spell in the Met. Special Const. I was fortunate enough to do a few duties in Whitechapel, I was lucky to be teamed up with someone who had been policing that area since the 60's. As you speak of the door at 29 Hanbury Street, I remember being told that back in the early 70's when the site was demolished, his colleague who was on day shifts that time actually managed to keep the door as a souvenir! Last thing I heard, he had left the job and living in Essex. |
Author: Esther Wilson
Monday, 11 November 2002 - 10:44 am | |
Thanks so much for sending the picture Stewart! 
Esther |
Author: Brenda L. Conklin
Monday, 11 November 2002 - 05:08 pm | |
Oh My Lord I can't believe FOOTAGE exists of Hanbury Street. As some of you already know, Hanbury Street is, to me, the scariest of the Ripper sites. I can't imagine seeing it in motion. Is this film available most anywhere or is it a pretty rare find?
Can you imagine being in that slum house yard at the break of dawn, meeting your doom, never seeing the sun come up....(cues up Twilight Zone music...screams in the background).
I'm off to hunt for the film! |
Author: Lisa Jane Turner
Tuesday, 12 November 2002 - 06:16 am | |
Hi Brenda
The whole documentary is wonderful! James Mason knocks at the door of No 29 and an old woman who I would suspect did live there permits him in. There are some escalting violin sound effects reaching a crescendo then he opens the door into the back yard and you are brought back to 1967 London and hear an aeroplane above. It all looks a bit of a tip, a mutt of a dog running around. It has been on British tv about 4 times I'd guess in the last 15 years. You know what would be just as much a gem would be Daniel Farson's Guide to the British which was shown in the 50's. Have you seen the thread posted by Richard Nunweek? (Gen. discussion>misc>funeral of Mary Kelly) |
Author: Gary Gillies
Tuesday, 12 November 2002 - 01:40 pm | |
Hi Lisa,
Is there anyway you could trace the friend in Essex that has the Hanbury door?
Thanks,
Gary. |
Author: Lisa Jane Turner
Tuesday, 12 November 2002 - 06:47 pm | |
Gawd knows who or where he is. It all seems so long ago and though my heart would love to say "go for it!" my head says "well I haven't seen the officer I met for many years and I don't really want to make myself busy by suddenly turning up pestering him about an ex colleague of his from 30 years back". Maybe my New Year's resolution to be a bit more forward may bring a change of heart...along with the diet!
Regards
Lisa |
