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Uninvestigated suspects (theorys)
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Uninvestigated suspects (theorys)
Author: J
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 03:25 pm |        | Theory #1
Jack the ripper was on the inside of the investigation. In his letters to officers, news papers, so forth, he makes several references to information that was not common public knowledge, example: he refers to joke made by officer in the boss letter (first written) quote"that joke about leather apron gave me real fits." 2nd example: October 29th letter, makes reference to coroners exam, however brief, left kedney? How would he know if not present at conversation. Then leaves clues as to location of next murder.
To further my theory though I need to examine coroners reports, signatures of investigating officers, doctors involved, and so forth. List of names I see as suspects.
Coroners:
Dr. Phillips
Mr. S. F. Langham
Dr. Llewellyn
Dr. Blackwell
Thomas Bond
Dr. MacDonald
Wyne E. Baxter (personal favorite - examined most victims initially)
Deputy Coroner:
Hodgkinsens
Does anyone else notice te name conection between victims = most have ann or mary in name. |
Author: David M. Radka
Wednesday, 20 December 2000 - 01:20 pm | | Yes! Yes! By all means, all of them! Couldn't go wrong if we included everybody in Whitechapel, could we?
David |
Author: Jim DiPalma
Thursday, 21 December 2000 - 10:47 am | | Hi All,
J, welcome to the boards. In regards to your first point, here is the passage from the Dear Boss letter, quoted in its full context:
"I keep on hearing the police have caught me but they wont fix me just yet. I have laughed when they look so clever and talk about being on the right track. That joke about Leather Apron gave me real fits."
Taken in context, 'that joke about Leather Apron' clearly refers to police suspicions against a person known as Leather Apron, which was widely reported in the press some two weeks before the 25 September date of the Dear Boss letter. As such, it most definitely was common public knowledge.
Regarding the 29 October letter, here again is the quote:
"Old boss you was rite it was the left kidny"
From the 5 October Times coverage of Eddowes inquest, Dr. Brown was asked:
"Mr. Crawford. - You have spoken of the extraction of the left kidney. Would it require great skill and knowledge to remove it?"
From the 19 October Star:
"As no definite conclusion could be arrived at, it was decided to call upon Dr Wiles, of 56,
Mile-end-road. In his absence, Mr F. S. Reed, his assistant, examined the contents of the box, and at once expressed the opinion that the article formed half of a human kidney, which had been divided longitudinally. He thought it best, however, to submit the kidney to Dr Openshaw, the pathological curator of the London Hospital, and this was at once done. By the use of the microscope, Dr Openshaw was able to determine that the kidney had been taken from a full-grown human being, and that the portion before him was part of the left kidney. It at once occurred to the Vigilance Committee that at the inquest on the body of the woman Eddowes who was murdered at Mitre-square, Aldgate, it was stated that the left kidney was missing,"
From the Daily Telegraph (I believe the date of the report was 20 October):
"Mr Reed. . .gave an opinion that it was a portion of a human kidney, which had been preserved in spirits of wine; but to make sure, he would go over to the London Hospital. . .[o]n his return, Mr Reed said that Dr Openshaw said that the kidney belonged to a female, that it was part of the left kidney, and that the woman had been in the habit of drinking. He should think that the person had died about the same time that the Mitre-square murder was committed."
So here again, the fact that Eddowes left kidney had been removed was stated at the inquest and widely reported in the press for some weeks prior to 29 October, and was public knowledge.
Cheers, and happy holidays to all,
Jim |
Author: J
Thursday, 28 December 2000 - 01:23 pm | | Well Jim, I stand corrected. And thank you, but I still feel that it was someone close in on the investigations. He watched them, got a kick out of their dumbfoundedness. Aside from correcting me on the information being public knowledge, how do you view my theory?
J |
Author: Jim DiPalma
Wednesday, 03 January 2001 - 07:01 pm | | Hi All,
J, it is of course possible that JtR was someone involved in the investigation. It has even been suggested that he was a policeman.
It is my view that this is unlikely, though I would stress that this is only my opinion, FWIW.
Cheers,
Jim |
Author: Neil K. MacMillan
Saturday, 03 February 2001 - 07:44 pm | | | Not knowing much about the Whitechapel district, I might be wrong but isn't that where London Hospital is? I worked in an ER (Emergency Room) for over a year and hospital employees loved to gossip there or at least a fair portion of them. Wouldn't they have brought the victims to London Hospital? If so your suspect list would widen considerably. While some details would be kept secret, many would still leak out. This was after all before the Official Secrets Act went into effect. Just a thought to ponder. Kindest reguards, Neil |
Author: Jon
Saturday, 03 February 2001 - 08:37 pm | | Neil
Yes, the London Hospital was very close-by the murder scenes, it is on Whitechapel Road. Polly Nichols was found quite close to that hospital.
The victims were beyond the help of any hospital when they were found. They were taken straight to the local mortuaries.
Jon |
Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 03 February 2001 - 09:11 pm | | The London Hospital and Whitechapel Road, E.1, in the Mid-1890s.
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Author: Jack the Ripper
Monday, 09 April 2001 - 09:17 pm | | | *sigh* I want to go back there. Those were the days my friend I thought they'd never end. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 10 April 2001 - 06:26 am | | | Jack's Day Out! |
Author: Antoinette Randle
Sunday, 29 April 2001 - 01:21 pm | | | I am new to the casebook, but I have been interested in JTR for some considerable time, and thought finally occurred to me...go on the internet and I found this site. It is great. But to stay on topic I would have to agree that JTR was on some friendly terms, you could say, with the police.He more than likely had some inside connections with them. The way he wrote his letters shows some indications that he knew the "Boss", unless he did that to purposely throw them off? |
Author: Leanne Perry
Monday, 30 April 2001 - 08:48 am | | G'day Antoinette,
Hey maybe he did know who he was writing the letters to. Maybe he was writing to his "Boss", and then his boss forwarded them on the Central news Agency.
I noticed that the word 'Boss' on the envelope, wasn't in line with the address. Perhaps this was added later.
Leanne! |
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