|
 |
 |
|
|
|
** This is an archived, static copy of the Casebook messages boards dating from 1998 to 2003. These threads cannot be replied to here. If you want to participate in our current forums please go to https://forum.casebook.org **
Ripper's Identity to be revealed on BBC Radio
Casebook Message Boards: General Discussion: General Topics:
Ripper's Identity to be revealed on BBC Radio
Author: R.J. Palmer
Friday, 05 January 2001 - 10:52 am |        | Davidoz--Thanks for the curious message. I must say that I tread here with trepidation. I was walking down Cheyne Walk several years ago on my way to Cheyne Row, which has a museum dedicated to the Scottish historian Thomas Carlyle. (His house, in fact). So, by a stange coincidence, I happen to know that there is a blue plaque on that street indicating the former residence of a certain Mr. Abraham Stoker.
Now I want to point out that there is a slight misprint in the Jack the Ripper A-Z (I have the 1991 edition) that might be of interest to you. It states that Henry Winslade, the waterman that found Druitt's body, lived at 4 Shore Street, Paxton Road, Chelsea. Now, Chelsea is a pretty darned exclusive neighborhood for a waterman, and this started me thinking. By another set of circumstances (I like museums) I have also been to visit William Hogarth's house in Chiswick (which is now a cool museum in itself, with several of his paintings) which happens to be around the corner from Shore Street/Paxton Road, Chiswick. If one walks southwesterly a few blocks, you arrive at the Thames, not far from where Druitt's body was found. In other words, Winslade did not live in Chelsea, he lived in Chiswick.
So if you are perhaps thinking by saying that Abraham Stoker of Cheyne Walk, Chelsea, was the waterman who found Druitt's body, you might be speculating that Stoker knew Winslade, all of which I think is based on a misprint. But maybe you were speaking metaphorically.
When I suggested that the Ripper was either Bram Stoker or Rasputin, this was merely a rather stupid joke thrown in the general direction of Mr. Slemen's unofficial delegation. Stoker's life in London in the 1880's is obscure, so I imagine that, considering his connections, he would sooner or later be pegged as the Ripper. This was merely a guess. I imagine that the actor to whom you refer is Stoker's friend Henry Irving of the Lyceum theatre.
But to be honest, I find this all very odd. I tend to hang with the Hume/Voltaire/'Age of Reason' crowd. Mysticism disturbs me.
adieu,
RJP |
Author: David M. Radka
Friday, 05 January 2001 - 09:48 pm | | R.J.,
I wrote my Master's Thesis on the proposition that Friedrich Nietzsche, sometimes thought of as an Age of Reason type, had mystical experiences and represented them in his work. Next time you're in Hartford, stop at the Trinity College Watkinson Library and look it up. I titled it "Nietzsche's Destiny as Mystic: A Philosophical Meditation." I'll bet you gain a different perspective.
David |
Author: R.J. Palmer
Saturday, 06 January 2001 - 02:32 pm | | David--Thanks for the message. If I ever make it to Hartford, I'll look it up.
I don't really want to argue here that there is anything 'wrong' with mysticism or 'alternative realities' per se; only that they tend to be irrelevant in a discussion, where those involved have to agree on the 'terms', the 'facts', etc. For instance, it doesn't do much good to say something like 'Abraham Stoker was the waterman' when I, Jon, and the Richmond & Twickenham Times all agree that it was Henry Winslade. It only confuses us.
If, like Cornelius Aggripa, Miriam had a magic telescope that we could peer inside and experience her vision too, that would be something entirely different. But in seeking 'external validation' for her theory, she has to stick with external evidence, logic, and the like, and must abandon the mysticism, or inevitably fail to convince...or even communicate. At least with us hopelessly rational types.
But I think we are probably talking about two different things. By bringing in Nietzsche, you are speaking about a rarer commodity; I'm only pointing out the difference between apples & oranges.
Regards,
RJP |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Tuesday, 09 January 2001 - 09:59 am | | From Keith Skinner:
Dear R.J.,
Well spotted R.J. re- the Chelsea address, there was a prize riding on the first one to spot this deliberate misprint, but unfortunately this offer expired at the end of last year!
However, you will be pleased to know that this typo (carried through three editions)will be corrected in the next update. You will be duly acknowledged and awarded a night out with Martin Fido as a consolation prize!
Many thanks R.J.
Best Wishes,
Keith
(using Stewart's computer but not deserting Caz.) |
Author: The Viper
Wednesday, 31 January 2001 - 07:57 am | | So... was this programme ever broadcast?
And if so, what were its conclusions?
Regards V. |
Author: Walter Timothy Mosley
Thursday, 01 February 2001 - 06:06 pm | | | Not to my knowledge, Viper. Apparently, the crystal ball is still in the shop for its 3 month/3,000 seance ectoplasm change. The Slemen website has made no mention of its former proclamation regarding JTR for many weeks now. Sadly, our conclusions now are much the same as regards the diary. A pity. |
Author: R.J. Palmer
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 01:37 pm | | | Another month gone by. Has this been cancelled? |
Author: Walter Timothy Mosley
Saturday, 03 March 2001 - 09:51 pm | | Dunno, R.J. We have given up on Mr. Slemen and no longer bother to check his website for any news on this. To date, he has not responded to our numerous inquiries about his "new suspect". This now appears to be nothing more than a hoax or publicity stunt, as even his ardent defenders have fallen silent, much as the yellow-dog democrats have about Bill Clinton. I wish there WERE some positive news, but....
WTM |
Author: Peter J Harpick
Wednesday, 07 March 2001 - 04:55 pm | | I am from Liverpool and wonder if anyone else has read of Tom Slemen's amazing newspaper articles on Jack. He really does 'seem' to have made a breakthrough. I will try and transcribe the articles. There have been two in the Merseymart and Star. The promised BBC Radio documentary goes out soon. It was apparently put on hold by the BBC because of the Alder Hey Hospital organ
scandal. |
Author: R Court
Thursday, 08 March 2001 - 05:06 am | | Hi all,
I did read that JTR-bit from Mr. Slemen on his web side, but it doesn't vary all that much from the usual, IMHO.
Just one little point will not escape me, and that is the distinguished-looking Gentleman refered to hastily hailing and getting into a cab. If some hectic guy came running after me in the middle of a Whitechapel street in 1888, shouting that I was Jack and I must be arrested at once, I would also beat a hasty retreat, guilty or not.
Such 'evidence' can, I feel, be put in the same catagory as the water test at witchhunts. If the subject doesn't drown, she's pronounced guilty and burnt at the stake. If she drowns, she's pronounced innocent, which must be quite a relief for her.
Best regards
Bob |
Author: Peter J Harpick
Thursday, 08 March 2001 - 09:20 pm | | | Nah Bob, you got it all wrong. The stuff on the website is dated. The articles Slemen has written recently are nothing to do with that. I will scan the articles or transcribe soon and you'll see what I mean. I really do think he has made a breakthrough. The whole north west is talking about the new Ripper suspect. |
Author: R Court
Friday, 09 March 2001 - 03:52 am | | Hi Peter,
Good to know that I can get it all wrong, too.
Seriously, if Slemen really has got something new, then I am naturally very interested indeed, we all certainly are.
Please remember, however, that if I sounded a bit sceptical that is only natural as well, the list of pseudo-Jacks as claimed here and there is hair-raising long. The bit I read on his web-side leads to the same conclusion, therefore the bit about the harrassed Gentleman.
I include my e-mail address, if you should decide to contact people in this way.
Best regards
Bob
rcourt5731@aol.com |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Friday, 09 March 2001 - 09:17 am | | Hi Peter,
I'm looking forward to seeing the articles if you could do the business for us here - thanks.
I'm sure none of us can wait for another tale from Liverpool. 
Love,
Caz |
Author: Christopher T George
Wednesday, 14 March 2001 - 12:05 am | | Hi, Peter Harpick:
We look forward to you posting more information on Mr. Slemen's conclusions about the Ripper murders.
You probably know about the following, but in searching a Liverpool news site for any news of Tom Slemen's revelations I found the following article on an exhibition on Liverpool history that evidently made some mention of the Maybricks.
It is not entirely clear from the following article but it sounds as if there might have been a display on Florie Maybrick in St. George's Hall again -- the place where her summer 1889 trial took place for the alleged murder of "Sir Jim" Maybrick. This article from the Liverpool Daily Post's issue of March 12, 2001 I found on the Liverpool news site at http://icliverpool.ic24.com/ Note the newspaper's evidently careful statement that "James Maybrick. . . once was claimed to be Jack the Ripper."
8,000 Soak Up Liverpool History
LIVERPOOL'S history came to life at an weekend exhibition to celebrate the city's past.
The Local History Exhibition at St George's Hall attracted more than 8,000 people over the two days.
Nearly 60 exhibitors filled the main hall and Cockerell Room with information boards and memorabilia while in the Reid Room the city's silver, VIP books and Liverpool currency from 1700 were on display.
Trust co-ordinator Marcia Hughes said it was the largest history exhibition held in the city.
She added: "I'm delighted with the response.
The phenomenal interest in local history has been demonstrated by the number of people coming here.
"People are becoming more and more interested in the history of the locality and the history of their families."
Trust chairman David Mathieson said: "The great thing about the past two days is that it has given a lot of pleasure to a lot of people."
Throughout the exhibition, speakers entertained a packed courtroom with historical tales of war, ghosts, murder and intrigue
In 1889, St George's Hall held the Florence Maybrick murder trial, one of the most notorious to be hold there.
She was convicted of her husband, James Maybrick, who once was claimed to be Jack the Ripper.
Her conviction for poisoning him at Battlecrease House in Aigburth was called into question when it was revealed that the judge might be insane.
She was spared the gallows but spent 15 years in jail.
In the Central Library, workshops were held on genealogy and photograph restoration, while outside children from the Sylvia Stubbs Music and Dancing School performed for the crowds. |
Author: Christopher T George
Wednesday, 14 March 2001 - 12:14 am | | Hi again Peter:
Is your name actually Tony Carlisle as your e-mail address indicates? I am sure you are well aware that "Peter J. Harpick" is an anagram of "Jack the Ripper" and has its own entry in Begg et al.'s A to Z (as the whole board with the exception of Martin and Paul go diving for their handy, well-thumbed copies of that essential reference source. . . .) [Paul and Martin, you can cut me a percentage later.  ]
Chris |
|
|
|
|
