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Message |
    
Donald Souden
Sergeant
Username: Supe
Post Number: 37
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 3:32 pm: |       |
Shannon,
". . . the murders would have taken place when the killer believed they needed to happen...."
How do you know that was not the case? |
Leanne Perry
Chief Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 895
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 4:17 pm: | |
G'day Sarah,
Maria Harvey said she left 2 mens shirts in the room. Inspector Abberline said at the inquest that he found articles of women's clothing in the ashes. How did he know these were all women's clothing? The ashes were thought to be what Harvey left. But were they all left by Maria?
Why would he have taken his shirt, (assuming it had blood on it), when he escaped the scene? That would have caused a policeman to look at him closer!
LEANNE |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1269
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 5:31 pm: | |
Leanne, as you Aussies say : struth! Joe goes to the trouble of burning his shirt and putting a nice clean one on - but walks off with a bloody heart in his coat pocket?
Robert |
Leanne Perry
Chief Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 898
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 12:45 am: | |
G'day Robert,
I don't know where he put the heart, but he got away with it didn't he? He wouldn't have gotten far if he carried a heart and was wearing a bloody shirt as well!
LEANNE |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1270
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 2:00 am: | |
Leanne, it's just not consistent that he should change his shirt and yet take the heart. Nor is it consistent that he should take the heart while knowing that he's got to get cleaned up because he's certain to be interviewed by the police the same day.
Robert |
Leanne Perry
Chief Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 899
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 2:38 am: | |
G'day Robert,
What do you mean by 'consistent'? Her heart obviously meant something to him. He got what he wanted!
LEANNE
(Message edited by Leanne on November 18, 2003) |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1273
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 4:04 am: | |
Hi Leanne
This isn't the heart as a symbol of love, is it? There's nothing romantic about a physical heart - it looks like a set of bagpipes.
Robert |
Caroline Anne Morris
Inspector
Username: Caz
Post Number: 479
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 5:05 am: | |
Hi Robert,
Oh God, not the gentleman ripper theory, surely - the definition of a gentleman being one who can play the bagpipes but doesn’t. This one evidently eats them instead. 
Braised heart makes a tasty change from fried kidney of course – takes a bit longer to become nise and tender though. So now we have Joe unable to suck on his pipe cos he left it at Mary’s, while Gentleman Thug happily sucks his bagpipe stew, wondering whether to play cricket or toss himself into the river and call it a good innings.
Love,
Caz
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Leanne Perry
Chief Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 902
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 5:45 am: | |
G'day Robert,
He had a choice. He could have taken her uterus, her kidney, or any body part. But no, he took her heart....only her heart. And he didn't post it to anyone either!
LEANNE |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1275
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 7:41 am: | |
Hi all
Caz, what was the name of that Blondie song? "Eat to the beat".
What did he have as a whore d'oeuvre?
Leanne, I've no idea why the murderer took Kelly's heart, just as I have no idea why he took Eddowes's kidney. I don't consider a missing heart to be grounds for arrest - not even a cardiac one.
Robert |
Sarah Long
Police Constable
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 9:16 am: | |
Leanne,
I can understand why Joe would take Mary's heart. Just because the physical heart doesn't look nice, maybe in his head, he just wanted it. I don't understand why he took Kate's kidney though. Is this supposed to show recognition as well, like disfiguring the face or something?
Also one other thing I'm unsure of. If Joe killed and took her heart because he still loved her, etc. well, then why did he spit on her grave, if indeed that was him too? |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1277
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 9:56 am: | |
Oh no, Sarah! Not the grave-spitting again!
The vicar said "Let us pray" not "Let us spray".
Robert |
Sarah Long
Sergeant
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 14
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 12:10 pm: | |
Leanne & Richard,
I've been reading some of your past posts. I get the impression that, while Leanne believes Joe was JTR, Richard gave the impression on another thread that he thinks Joe killed Mary but that's all. I may be wrong but that is how it has come across when I was readin another thread. Is this correct? If so how will you be giving two view points in your book? How will you phrase it? Am very curious!! |
Caroline Anne Morris
Inspector
Username: Caz
Post Number: 481
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 1:45 pm: | |
Hi Robert, Sarah,
Perhaps Joe didn’t preserve Mary’s heart well enough.
Must have been rotten for him – he couldn’t keep Mary from going off him and now he couldn’t keep her heart from going off either. Enough to make anyone spit, I shouldn’t wonder.
Love,
Caz
(Message edited by Caz on November 18, 2003) |
Leanne Perry
Chief Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 906
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 3:49 pm: | |
G'day Sarah, Caroline, Robert,
Think of this: "I have a piece of you, now you can keep a piece of me.....spit!"
I have ideas about why he destroyed Kate's face, but I'll keep them quiet for now. 
Richard has promised to send me more detailed work on Mary Kelly to add, but hasn't got around to that yet. Because we have two seperate minds we knew that we'd have opposing views to certain things, and agreed to publish both views and let a reader deside. That's why this book will be interesting, and will lead to more debate! Plus how many books have been written by two people who live in opposite hemispheres?
LEANNE |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1280
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 4:25 pm: | |
Hi Leanne
Well, I've heard of grave-robbing, but grave-gobbing?
I can see I'm going to have to patiently await the book - although I feel that your smiley face has now had more plasters than Kelly's after the docs patched her up.
Robert |
Richard Brian Nunweek
Inspector
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 415
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 5:11 pm: | |
Hi Sarah,
I can see how , you may believe Leanne, and myself have contrasting views on Barnetts involvement, thinking I believe he killed Kelly only, that is however wrong to assume, the only differences we proberly have is her time of death,our Kelly chapter is going to be lengthly and full of really debatable points, hopefully it will really stir the hornets nest.
Richard. |
Sarah Long
Sergeant
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 17
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 5:55 am: | |
Richard & Leanne,
Can't wait. I have my own theory about Barnett and his killing of Mary but I think I'll keep that private for the moment as am developing it a more first and don't want to not be able to answer any queries about it. |
Scott Nelson
Sergeant
Username: Snelson
Post Number: 43
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:06 am: | |
OK, the heart went into the empty beer pail with some rags stuffed in, right? |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1289
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:33 am: | |
Scott, Barnett goes back to a crowded doss house with a heart in a bucket?
Robert |
Sarah Long
Sergeant
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 27
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:02 pm: | |
He may not even have kept her heart. Maybe he wanted to keep it as he never had when she was alive but what if he wanted to break it, like she did to his. Of course I don't mean break it in two though. Just a thought. |
Luxy
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 3:52 pm: | |
Leanne
why would Barnett do his utmost to make his beloved's face unrecognizable and then testify
that the woman on the bed is irrefutably MJK?
That sounds strange to me.
Regards
Luxy
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Sarah Long
Sergeant
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 5:03 am: | |
Luxy,
If he killed the girl in the bed, then he would say it was Mary Jane. Who else was he expecting to be in her bed? |
Leanne Perry
Chief Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 941
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 4:13 pm: | |
G'day Sarah,
Mary let other prostitutes share her tiny room, that's what caused Barnett to move out! But I wouldn't say she let them have her single bed!
I wonder why she let Julia Venturney stay and then took Maria Harvey in, when she knew that Joe didn't like it?
LEANNE |
Shannon Christopher
Inspector
Username: Shannon
Post Number: 256
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 12:37 pm: | |
Leanne, she did it to cause a confrontation with Joe because he had threatened to leave in the past if anything like this happened again. Since he no longer had a job to provide for her, what use was he to her? All he was now, was in the way...
Shannon |
