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Stephen P. Ryder
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just happened to stumble across this while researching something completely different, and the name Tumblety jumped out at me.

This is from Papers Relating to the Treaty of Washington. Volume VI.--Washington Arbitration and General Appendix. Containing the Report of Robert S. Hale, Agent and Counsel of the United States Before the Commission on Claims of Citizens of the United States Against Great Britain, and of Subjects of Her Britannic Majesty Against the United States, Under the Twelfth Article of the Treaty of May 8, 1871, Between the United States and Great Britain; And General Appendix to Papers Relating to the Treaty of Washington. Washington, D.c.. Government Printing Office. 1874.

Its a record of Tumblety's three charges against the U.S. Government for wrongful imprisonment and confiscation of personal property. If I'm reading this correctly, he sued for $100,000 and got zilch.

What interested me most about this, however, is that Tumblety is listed in the index of this book under British claims cases, not under the American index. Could mean that Tumblety possibly had dual-citizenship, British and American.


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Christopher T George
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Hi, Spry:

Thanks for posting this, Spry. Most interesting!

Indeed, if as Stewart Evans now thinks, Dr. Tumblety was born in Dublin around 1830 and he had the papers to prove it, he would have been born a British subject and could have claimed dual nationality. When we think about that possibility, it makes sense since the man seemed to hop between the countries with facility and dual nationality probably served his purposes. In the same sort of sense, although when I am home in England I am often referred to as an "American gentleman" I too have dual nationality, similar to the "American doctor," Dr. Francis J. Tumblety.

All the best

Chris
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James Todd Carlson
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Interested readers can access the book that Francis Tumblety wrote: "Narrative of Dr. Tumblety: how he was kidnapped during the American war, his incarceration and discharge. A veritable reign of terror. An exciting life sketch, with important letters and documents from Generals Lee and Sherman, Earl de Grey, Lords Stanley, Headley and Tenterden, Sir Edward Thornton, Horace Greeley, Abraham Lincoln, and other notable celebrities, including private passages concerning the ex-Emperor Napoleon ... presentation and friendly relations with Kaiser William, of Prussia, introduction and friendly converse with the late Charles Dickens", published 1872 by going to the "Making of America Books" website at the University of Michigan:

http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;cc=moa;sid=5d38da6cd3f822287b3cdde38711e4d1;view=toc;rgn=main;idno=ADH4174.0001.001
Anyway, from there you can order a reprint, view each of the original pages (there are 84), read the text, pretty much whatever you want. Tumblety discusses all of the events under discussion, offers the world his autobiography - of sorts - and discusses his visits to London, Canada and across the U.S. up through the 1870s. It's fun reading, if you've got the patience for it (you'll see!), and the cost is nothing - unless you want to purchase the reprint. Check it out.

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