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Richard Brian Nunweek
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Username: Richardn

Post Number: 133
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 4:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi guys,
First of all , I am no sick pervert, that I need to clarify, My name is Richard [a male].
To suggest Jim, that men are excited by the pictures of Kelly in some perverted way is to use a recent word on these boards HOGWASH.
It is true that they may be a tiny minority of sick individuals that view these boards that may have sordid minds, but the vast repeat vast majority of people are I would trust decent, honest,and genuine people, that have a healthy fascination for this subject, and are simply analyzing photographs in order to spot clues to the possible identity of the perpretator of this crimes.
I think your post is insulting, and although I welcome free speech,I would have rather you phrased your post in a more tactful way, for to attack peoples gender, and to make suggestions in the way you have is simply out of order.
Richard.
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Marie Finlay
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Username: Marie

Post Number: 174
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 5:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jim DiPalma, excellent post. Five stars.
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Marie Finlay
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 5:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Richard: I'm not sure if I misunderstood your post.

To clarify, it was the poster calling themselves 'noneof yourbeeswax', who was calling anyone interested in this case "perverts".

Mr Jim DiPalma was kindly setting them straight for us.
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Zkot
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Username: Humanvulture

Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 1:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Perhaps the poster called 'noneofyourbeeswax' has written a book called Portrait Of A Killer.

After all, we're also "a bunch of ghouls", remember?

ooooh spoooky...


Jim- a most excellent post indeed, sir. Ten bells, er, five stars.

Cheers,
Scott (with a Z)

"And I will show you something different from either your shadow at morning striding behind you or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust." -T.S. Eliot

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Richard Brian Nunweek
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Username: Richardn

Post Number: 134
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 4:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My apologies Jim,
When reading your post, i am afraid I was on a different wave length, I was interputing the remarks as from your points of view, not ' Noneof yourbeeswax'my sincere apologies for my ignorance.
My post is therefore directed to that person
Regards Richard.
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Maura
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Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 5:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dear noneofyourbeeswax,

Gee, first I find out I'm a pervert, and then what's worse is...I'm a female pervert.

Gadzooks...hand me the exacto blade for my wrist auto-slashing!

Now I knew I was a paranoid schizoprenic and a victim of pathetic fallacy and phallic envy, but had not known about my other most ignominious latent tendencies...so thank you profusely noneof yourbeeswax, for this erudite diagnosis.

It's so much easier to come here, than to go to the free clinic, where they might find out I have Neurolues, and am related to Nietszche [but only by parthenogenesis which ultimately leads to pathogenesis to be sure].

Now I must say, with no abject apologies that I do love day-glo colors and have ever since I first saw them in my super duper 64 count Crayola box with the self sharpener in the back [my crayon is sharp and I'll get to work again real soon!] so I'll not apologize for that perverse predilection.

I will ask noneofyourbeeswax to tone down the vile language though, in his/her next procedural diagnostic post, as the "p" word [p_ssed] is in bad taste in any language, including even the most illogically ranting Esperanto.

Much appreciation, noneof yourbeeswax and by the way, are you related to Major Frank Burns of MASH fame?
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Clement Unger
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Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 9:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Re: viewing the photo of Mary Kellys mutilated body as being perverted. Look at any newspaper printed today, gory photos sell newspapers, fact. The fascination of such photograph's appeal to all of us.

By the way the folded whatever lying on the bedside table, could it be one of those canvas knife holders the type that holds several knives in slots and then is folded up and tied with a string, the type a butcher would use? Wasn't one of the suspects seen by a policeman carrying a similar object?
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Tommy Simpson
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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 9:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jack wouldn't have left his knife holder there would he, if it was left there wouldn't the police have taken it away before the picture was taken?
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Gary Weatherhead
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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 3:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maura

I was reading through old posts and I must have missed this discussion while I was away for a while earlier in May. Don't take that garbage personally.

Perversion and sickness is in the eye of the beholder.

People should have the guts to put their names on posts whther they be derisive or not.

Take Care
Gary
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Gary Weatherhead
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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 9:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

P.S.

Jim's post had all the makings of an excellent cross examination.

Gary
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Maura
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Gary!

I take nothing seriously, but I appreciate your concern.

Well I do take death and taxes seriously...but really only taxes is frightening.

I enjoy reading the rantings of fringe online people as dealing with derangement and facing it daily, prepares me for dealing with any sociopath like a Jack imitator if I ever have to save my life at the sharp end of a knife, so I rather enjoyed reading the hyperbole over the Kelly photograph.

One can only hope that noneofyourbeeswax will next work on removing the tasteless and untalented Britney [obviously her parents never travelled to Brittany] Spears from the public agenda, who is more of an eyesore than any photos of poor Mary Kelly.

Thanks again for your kindly response, Gary and glad you're back!
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Robert Charles Linford
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Post Number: 197
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 3:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Maura

For heaven's sake don't bring in Brittany. I already get mixed up with Britney Houston and Whitney Spears. If you throw in Brittany...well, it's quite a litany.

Robert
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Caroline Anne Morris
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Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 4:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...not to mention a cacophony.

Love,

Caz
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Gary Alan Weatherhead
Police Constable
Username: Garyw

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Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 3:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello All

Maura, thanks for the response. I have read your posts and know you can more than take care of yourself. It just irks me that someone will post something which is vindictive and insulting to a group of people or even the vast majority of Casebook readers and hide behind an alias. Many people who don't give their true names on their posts contribute valuable thoughts and enjoyable posts. But there are always those exceptions...

Maybe I'm used to a courtroom setting where personal attacks on your opponent will not be tolerated under any circumstances. .

Caz
A cacophony indeed! As my 15 year old son said regarding Ms Spears "you aren't supposed to listen to her sing, you are just supposed to look at her"

Know we know.

Best Regards
Gary
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Andrew Spallek
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Username: Aspallek

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Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 5:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And now..., back to the topic at hand.

Stephen, I think you may have indeed found a handprint, probably of the perp, in this photo.

I have always noticed the circumferential mark. To me it looks exactly like the mark around my calves at the end of the day when I take off my dress socks, though darker (deeper?). It is caused by the elastic band at the top. In a living person, this mark virtually disappears in a matter of minutes due to circulation of blood. In a dead corpse I presume the mark would remain indefinitely. Does anyone know if there were socks/stockings with elastic bands in 1888? In my opinion, it is much too straight to be an incision.

Andy
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Robert Charles Linford
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Posted on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 5:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Andy

This came up earlier. There's a reference to it in the archive for this thread, but I'm sure I also remember a picture of a stocking and garter arrangement, with the stocking having a mottled pattern. I guess it's somewhere on one of the other Kelly threads.

Robert
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Valerie S
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Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 7:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is no mention of a circumferential mark in the very detailed post-mortem report. The only marks on her calves mentioned in this was one on her Left leg.
The left calf showed a long gash through skin and tissues to the deep muscles and reaching from the knee to five inches above the ankle. Both arms and forearms had extensive jagged wounds.

I think it's a garter.

What puzzles me is they said there appeared to be no struggle but wouldn't extensive jagged wounds on her forearms be considered at least an attempt at self-defense if not a struggle?

Valerie

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Joe Dawson
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If it is a right-handprint, are any of the ripper suspects known to be left-handed or ambidextrous?

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