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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5404
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 4:07 pm: | 
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AP's sent me these photos : Lipski, scene of the crime, and prisoner's clothes and victim's nightdress.
Robert |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5408
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 6:14 pm: |
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Here's a delightful place which, once entered, you simply feel you cannot leave : Broadmoor.
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 937
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:06 pm: |
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Can we confirm, Robert, that building in Batty Street has come down now? I know that some buildings from that terrace still stand looking much the same as I was there earlier in the year.
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5410
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 3:56 am: |
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Philip, as to whether or not the building is still there, I'm hopeless at that sort of thing. Stephen Thomas or the Great Clack might know.
Robert |
George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 938
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:53 am: |
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Then I shall e-mail the Great Clack and run poste haste back to the feet of Lord Linford with the news.
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Caroline Anne Morris
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Caz
Post Number: 2430
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 8:41 am: |
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Hi Philip,
Do you always write poste haste like that?
If so, please tell me your whereabouts in 1989 or thereabouts.
(Carry on Screaming, 1960-something)
Love,
Caz
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 940
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:10 am: |
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Hello my darling Caz
* hides under table as he hears a moustachiod American thundering over the Atlantic *
Would you be terribly offended if I replied saying I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about?! 
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5411
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:22 am: |
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Philip, WARNING! Your computer may have become infected with a Diary virus. You are advised to take measures poste haste!
Robert |
Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 3347
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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Philip,
I hope you do always write it like that.
lol
Jenni
"it's lovely weather for a sleigh ride together with you"
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Christian Jaud
Detective Sergeant
Username: Chrisjd
Post Number: 139
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:21 pm: |
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Hi Phil, all
couldn't it be this one (from our visit in Batty str. in August? Note the indicated area (red arrow)!
Christian
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Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 3350
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:38 pm: |
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hey how come you get to go on visits with Philip!!
Seriously though, that does look similar i must say.
Jenni
"it's lovely weather for a sleigh ride together with you"
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Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 3351
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:39 pm: |
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ps same shutters?
five word rule!
"it's lovely weather for a sleigh ride together with you"
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 941
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:57 pm: |
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Hmm... I see what you mean, Christian.
Very interesting.
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1716
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 1:22 pm: |
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Hi Christian
Looks like a probable match. Good work.
Robert & AP--
Please provide the source(s) for the Batty Street/Lipski and Broadmoor photographs if you would.
Chris
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
http://christophertgeorge.blogspot.com/
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Caroline Anne Morris
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Caz
Post Number: 2435
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 1:56 pm: |
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Hi my darling Philip.
I was just wondering why you put an e on post, as in post haste. I don't know about a Diary virus, but Robert has caught your spelling habit too now.
Do you spell Jews with an extra e too? 
Just trying to eliminate possibilities. But it's a damn slow process - or processe.
Lovee,
Caz
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Robert Clack
Chief Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 684
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 3:08 pm: |
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Hi Robert, Philip, Christian, Caz, Chris, Jenni (phew)
I've had a look at my book 'The Trials of Israel Lipski' by Martin L. Friedland. The Lipski house was number 16 Batty Street and the author said the house was demolished in 1888. If I remember correctly Phil, Christian, one of the neighbouring houses had 1888 on it. I think the photo in the book is of the houses that were built on the site after number 16 was demolished in 1888.
This drawing of the original number 16 was from The Illustrated Police News from 1887.
Rob |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2984
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 4:00 pm: |
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Sorry Chris, no sauce given till the sauce bottle is empty, which it aint yet.
The photo of Batty Street was taken in 1887. |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 1016
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 4:46 pm: |
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Hi all,
Somehow I wish we had some professional photo journalist historian or journalist to help us. Where is William T. Stead when we need him?
[I know, he's presumably under the Atlantic off the Grand Banks. But he was a spiritualist - can't he communicate?]
Disappointed but waiting,
Jeff |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2987
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 4:53 pm: |
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I just had three knocks on the table then, Jeff.
The problem with my own research is that I have to put a wig and a mini-skirt on, a disguise if you like, and if I'm discovered the door will be slammed shut.
Stead can still talk to you.
Have you tried his resource centre?
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 942
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:37 pm: |
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Jeff - we have Rob Clack. He will do nicely. And sign my Camille Wolff for me.
Some interesting issues here. The IPN image is indeed very different from the photos purporting to be from 1887 and from 2005.
I have found many similarities between the supposed 1887 photo and the 2005 one. Everything appears to match; the only difference is the removal of the doorsteps. I don't know if we really have our answer. I'm not an expert but it looks to me like the photo that claims to be from 1887 actually isn't.
AP - there are clearer versions of these images in SPE's 'EXECUTIONER', though the shot of #16 is cropped.
Caz - I was using Middle English (got out of that one...)
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 943
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:40 pm: |
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Oh I get it, Caz.
This 1989 thing. Gotcha. Poste House. Sorry - I was so thoroughly engaged in my Tony Williams book. It's very good. All you lot might learn something from it.
He makes me laugh.
(No, I haven't got a copy...)
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Robert Clack
Chief Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 685
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 5:55 pm: |
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Hi Phil,
The pavement in Batty Street today, looks like in is higher by a couple of inches when compared to the older photograph, which probably explains the removal of the doorstep.
Rob |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 1018
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:08 pm: |
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Hi A P,
I have occasionally looked up Stead's various websites on the internet. However we really need to go through his correspondence and private papers (wherever they survive).
As for the three knocks, that was promissing. Occasionally when I think that I'm solving something I wonder if Sir Arthur is somewhere around. Maybe with Stead and Edmund Gurney (and D'Onston?).
Probably not Houdini though.
Ah, I hear a voice. Can it be? Did PHENEAS SPEAK?
I must get a ouija board.
Jeff |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5415
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 5:18 am: |
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A couple more from AP.
Jeff, if you want to contact Stead you must take an Atlantic cruise and some diving gear. But I warn you - it's cold.
Robert |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5417
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:12 am: |
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If AP doesn't mind, I'll shove in this pic of Anderson from Adam's "Woman and Crime," because we never seem to see his legs. He had two, which as Peter Cook would say, is the 'minimum requirement' for quite a few things.
Robert
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 949
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 12:41 pm: |
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Hi Robert
But tragically, he also had conjoined hands.
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2993
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:00 pm: |
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My pleasure, Robert.
But he only has one knee.
Philip, I don't think the hands are conjoined.
I believe he is shaking hands to congratulate himself on such a marvelous job. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5419
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:23 pm: |
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I think he's counting his fingers having once shaken hands with Ostrog.
Robert |
Spiro
Sergeant
Username: Auspirograph
Post Number: 50
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:52 pm: |
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Rolf Harris would say he had three legs, great pics. Thanks for the slideshow...all... |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2994
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 2:10 pm: |
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Regarding the 'Dear Tom' letter.
It rewards to compare this side by side with the Lusk letter.
Was the writer of the Lusk letter also writing from right to left rather than left to right? |
Stanley D. Reid
Chief Inspector
Username: Sreid
Post Number: 701
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 6:28 pm: |
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And he's also left elbow and right ear challenged. |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3437
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 7:01 am: |
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Hi AP
I agree on scanning down this thread my first thought was......whats the Lusk letter doing here!
There is a gut reaction similarity,although it may I guess just be the layout we're so used to!
As to the pic its the 'Emperor Ming Strap on Beard' thats slipped ,that made me smile!!!!!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3438
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 7:22 am: |
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This cove worries me too......So Sir Joseph Porter KGB from G and S
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3439
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 7:26 am: |
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Suzi |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 1023
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:34 am: |
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Hi all,
Actually, in looking at Anderson's photo from AP, we have to assume he has two legs. We only see him seated with a knee crossed. Since there is no reference anywhere to Anderson being crippled, we can assume he has legs. The issue is did he have a clue. Did he ever have a clue?
He also seemed to enjoy butterfly collars and ties like those favored by Monty Druitt and thousands of other middle and upper class men at the time.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 952
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 12:42 pm: |
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Jeff - Did he have a clue about what? His number of legs?
Like all fields of study of this case, another photo of the man with a probable pair of legs (they could both be prosthetic, you know) is just serving to cloud the issue.
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3447
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:27 pm: |
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Jeff-
Of course he did!.. Most men of a position (so to speak) did affect the wing collar and tie as seen... and .... of course it was popularised(!) by Druitt!!!
-I must say IMHO it's still a popular and very acceptable form of evening neckwear though!!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3448
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:38 pm: |
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will try to post a pic in a mo |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3449
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 1:41 pm: |
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Suzi |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 1024
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 3:57 pm: |
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Hi George,
I actually meant did he ever have a clue about who "Jack" was? However, given his personality it could become a general character about his viewpoints on anything. He was good at catching Irish nationalist groups - I'll give him that.
Whether or not he had a clue about his legs, I take he had to know he had two. Whether he had a clue as to his actual standing (in public opinion, in the opinion of the actual Scotland Yard rank and membership) is another question.
Actually Suzy, I was quite impressed by how good looking the butterfly collar and necktie looked on Monty (only the one worn by Chaplin as Monsieur Verdoux looked any better). I am only surprised Monty never thought of suggesting them for the cricket teams he was on. But maybe it would have complicated playing cricket.
Best wishes,
Sartorially deprived Jeff |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3456
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 5:03 pm: |
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Nice though isn't it!!!!!(word!)
Suzi |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 1025
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 8:10 pm: |
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Yes it is nice
Jeff |
