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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
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Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 5:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is the URL..........

Just in case it doesn't work properly for anyone...

Here's the story...


Child sacrifices in London'
By Richard Edwards Crime Reporter, Evening Standard
16 June 2005
Boys from Africa are being murdered as human sacrif ices in London churches.





They are brought into the capital to be offered up in rituals by fundamentalist Christian sects, according to a shocking report by Scotland Yard.

Followers believe that powerful spells require the deaths of "unblemished" male children.








Police believe such boys are trafficked from cities such as Kinshasa where they can be bought for a little as £10.

The report, leaked ahead of its publication next month, also cites examples of

African children being tortured and killed after being identified as "witches" by church pastors.

The 10-month study was commissioned after the death of Victoria Climbié, who was starved and beaten to death after they said she was possessed by the devil.

The aim of the Met study was to create an "open dialogue" with the African and Asian community in Newham and Hackney. In discussions with African community leaders, officers were told of examples of children being murdered because their parents or carers believe them to be possessed by evil spirits. Earlier-this month Sita Kisanga, 35, was convicted at the Old Bailey of torturing an eight-year-old girl from Angola she accused of being a witch.

Kisanga was a member of the Combat Spirituel church in Dalston. Many such churches, supported mainly by people from West Africa, sanction aggressive forms of exorcism on those thought to be possessed.

There are believed to be 300 such churches in the UK, mostly in London.

The report was put together by an expert social worker and lawyer for the Met after talking to hundreds of people in African communities in a series of workshops. It uncovered allegations of witchcraft spells, child trafficking and HIV-positive people who believe that by having sex with a child they will be "cleansed".

An extract reads: "People who are desperate will seek out experts to cast spells for them.

"Members of the workshop stated that for a spell to be powerful it required a sacrifice involving a male child unblemished by circumcision. They allege that boy children are being trafficked into the UK for this purpose."

It adds: "A number of pastors maintain that God speaks through them and lets them know when someone is possessed.

"It is therefore their duty to deliver the child or adult from the evil spirit.

"After much debate they acknowledge that children labelled as possessed are in danger of being beaten by their families.

"However, they would not accept they played a role in inciting such violence."

Last month Scotland Yard revealed it had traced just two out of 300 black boys aged four to seven reported missing from London schools in a three-month period.

The true figure for missing boys and girls is feared to be several thousand a year.

The scale of the problem emerged through the murder inquiry following the discovery of a child's torso in the Thames in September 2001. The identity of the victim, named Adam by police, is not known but his background was traced to Nigeria. It is believed he died in a ritual sacrifice.

John Azar, who helped the police on that inquiry, told Radio4's Today programme that the known cases could be "the tip of the iceberg".

Police working on the Adam case have found children are being sold to traffickers on the streets of major African cities for less than £10 and then smuggled into the UK. The children arrive in London armed with false documents and accompanied by adults who believe they will bolster their asylum claims.

Dr Richard Hoskins, a lecturer of Theology and Religious Studies at King's College, said: "We know this through work we have been doing on the Adam inquiry. These children are ripe for people to abuse. They are easy prey."

A Met spokesman said: "We undertook a project aimed at improving our knowledge of issues impacting child abuse within the African and Asian communities of London. The aim of the project was to open a dialogue within these communities and encourage a debate which would help reduce the risks of harm to children."

The report says there is a wide gulf between these communities and social services and protection agencies with many people in ethnic communities scared to speak out.

The report concludes police face a "wall of silence" when dealing with such cases.

Experts differ on the merits of the Scotland Yard report.

Dr William Les Henry, a lecturer in sociology at Goldsmiths College, said aspects of the reports were pigeonholing crimes together and were patronising and racist.

He said: "When we think about these cases we can see the same kind of patterns of behaviour in European cultures but they are interpreted in completely different ways.

"This is one of the crises with social sciences anyway, when they are supposedly interpreting the folk ways or cultural habits of alien cultures." He said that the models such reports are based on are that "Africans are less civilised, less rational".

But Dr Hoskins said: "This is very detailed, qualitative report that actually comes out of the communities.

"This is not white people saying this. This has actually comes from the communities authored by people in the community and that really stymies the racist line." He added: "We are dealing with real cases here. When you actually talk to them, these are hard and fast facts.

"So I don't think we are getting wrong, but it is right to treat it sensitively."

He believes vulnerable people are being manipulated by spiritual leaders.

"This is absolutely what is going on. They are often very vulnerable, poor people.

"It is people in positions of power and money that are manipulating poor people."


Thanks to W.T. "Tim" Mosley for providing this link.
HowBrown
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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
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Post Number: 2209
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 6:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

See the former leader of the Boom Town Rats for more detail about this.
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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard

Post Number: 585
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 6:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A.P.

He's too busy becoming momentarily famous again..Instead of getting all the dinosaurs together and jamming [ and they are coming to my city about 10 minutes away from me....earplugs are ready ],maybe they ought to buy condoms for the Africans this time.


""This is one of the crises with social sciences anyway, when they are supposedly interpreting the folk ways or cultural habits of alien cultures." He said that the models such reports are based on are that "Africans are less civilised, less rational".

But Dr Hoskins said: "This is very detailed, qualitative report that actually comes out of the communities.

"This is not white people saying this. This has actually comes from the communities authored by people in the community and that really stymies the racist line." He added: "We are dealing with real cases here. When you actually talk to them, these are hard and fast facts.

Someone ought to tell Mr. P.C. that it ain't white people doing it either....Its such a relief that some in the non-White community are alarmed,otherwise it could be seen as just another racist plot by Whitey to undermine African culture. Whew ! Wiping off the brow over here...

Umgawa,homes !
HowBrown
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Caroline Anne Morris
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Caz

Post Number: 1860
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 5:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi How, All,

In Victorian times, some white men believed (or claimed to believe - and that's a huge difference) that sex with a virgin could cure venereal disease. It sounds like a very feeble excuse to me.

Perhaps Jack convinced himself that the ritual slaughter and mutilation of prostitutes was also some kind of cure for life's ills.

I do think that motives - or trumped up motives more like - among serial killers are likely to differ, depending on aspects of the culture of any one area, at any one period in time, that can be exploited.

So a white serial killer in Victorian times might have seen his mission very differently from the equivalent specimen today.

What doesn't differ is the basic, primitive will that leads certain individuals to destroy other human beings, in whichever society they happen to find themselves. They just need to find a suitably contemporary excuse, such as "horror films made me do it", or "I needed virgin blood to live".

Have a great weekend all.

Looking forward to a Scorchio! couple of days here in sunny Croydon.

Love,

Caz
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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard

Post Number: 589
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Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 6:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good points Caz..

Someone who had seen a ritual in,say,The Cameroon,like you know who,could have been impressed with it enough to later try and see if it worked,if he was already a little whacked out himself for other reasons [ a mental condition or maybe even due to a venereal disease...].

Because,lets face it,those who have been apprehended throughout history and been of the Caucasian persuasion,who have implemented such repulsive thoughts into actions,have been insane or institutionalized and executed.

In the case of one suspect,old Sudden Death, if he did practice one of these rituals or something very similar in terms of purposefulness...he went on to write a book, share a business venture, work with a prominent feminist and live for another 28 years and not deteriorate or get involved with these kooky practices again.....to our knowledge.

I'm reminded of the statement from a co-worker,intended in jest,but said very seriously,after those idiots in the Heavens Gate cult committed mass suicide in their attempt to catch up with that Big Be-Bop Boppin' comet [ makes me laugh to think about it..]....

He said..."Well they did it, man...I wonder if they made it?"
HowBrown

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