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Diana
Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 427
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 7:58 am: |       |
Polly Nichols bragged about her jolly bonnet.
Liz Stride had just acquired a peice of green velvet, we know not where (a hatter would have such)
Katherine Eddowes was wearing a hat
Mary Kelly was hatless out on the street the night of her murder but the wire frame of a hat was found in her fireplace.
Francis Coles was given money by a customer, and instead of using it the way most alcoholics would, she bought a hat. |
Maria Giordano
Inspector
Username: Mariag
Post Number: 213
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 9:52 am: | |
Are you thinking that Jack was mad as a hatter?
Mags |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2474
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 10:27 am: | |
All the best
G, Sweden
"Want to buy some pegs, Dave?"
Papa Lazarou |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1696
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 10:52 am: | |
Hats!!!!!!
All I think I have to say here I think!..(un) happy coincidence I think! ....
The only 'victim' who was recorded as never wearing a hat was our Mary,.........Am sure the rest did ...Jolly or not!
Suzi |
Phil Hill
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 8:11 am: | |
In the 1880s almost everyone, male and female, wore a hat when out of doors. It would have been considered VERY strange not to have done so. partly, of course, this was a response to the lack of central heating - much body heat is lost through the head. men wore flat caps and a variety of other gear - look at contemporary illustrations for the Sherlock Holmes stories.
This even extended to thre working classes. Note that it was remarked on that MJK went hatless.
For women, bonnets were easily re-trimmed with cheap ribbon, feathers, imitation fruit, fur etc. It was a cheap way of sprucing up a dowdy costume.
When I first started to read deeply about the JtR case in the 70s, I too was struck by the "hats" theme. Nowadays, i think it just coincidence. Secondhand clothing was the way people acquired things to wear - Polly may have got her new bonnet from a friend as a hand-me-down. "New" to her - but maybe not so new really.
Strides piece of material, I have always assumed, came from her suitor, Kidney's rival.
On the whole I don't see it as being a practical (or necessary) way of "Jack" seducing whores of this class. Threepence would work better and be quicker.
But the bonnets are an interesting glimpse into the customs and manners of a vanished world.
Phil
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1699
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 1:16 pm: | |
Not it appears everyone!.. Mary is recorded in many areas as being bare headed,and known for it..
As to Pol's 'jolly' bonnet..I would suggest Polly wore a bonnet as a matter of course, but the one in question was a bit special....aka new...and a present of some kind,..something out of the blue..a surprise gift maybe?
As to Liz.........I'm sorry but I think the whole thing here is a domestic and not related to the case.
Sorry but I think the 'threepence ' line is a tad unecessary there is no proof that Kate for example was a 'prostitute'
Life eh?
Suzi
There |
Maria Giordano
Inspector
Username: Mariag
Post Number: 215
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 2:31 pm: | |
I suspect that Mary's not wearing a hat had to do with conceit about her beautiful hair.
Mags |
Richard Brian Nunweek
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 1210
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 2:40 pm: | |
Hi,
Mary Kelly did wear a hat at night did not mrs prater see her in one when she talked to her on the eve of her death.
When Dew made his comment that she never wore a hat it may have been an observation he concluded ,when the weather was a little kinder during the summer months.
Richard. |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1701
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 8:17 am: | |
RICHARD
!!!! Am sure Mary never wore a hat
suzi |
Phil Hill
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 2:59 pm: | |
Suzi - if you re-read my post, you'll find i specifically commentewd on the fact that MJK went hatless.
One of the later murder victims (post MJK) also had two hats with her - one pinned to her dress (Alice McKenzie?) IIRC.
Phil |
Richard Brian Nunweek
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 1216
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:03 pm: | |
Hi Suzi,
It is a recorded fact that on the evening[ late] of the 8th november mrs Prater and Mary Kelly met, at the bottom of the alley . ie. on the entrance to Dorset Street, and she was obseved by Prater to have worn a hat and her Velvet Jacket.
This woman may not have worn a hat , during the day, but on the eve of the 8th, she certainly did.
Richard. |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1704
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:35 pm: | |
OK Richard A hat /bonnet for the Lord Mayors Show will go with that.
Phil-
You refer to Alice McKenzie as a victim...there is of course no proof either way here.Wynne Baxter just put this down as murder against a person or persons unknown and didnt appear to have connected dear ols Clay Pipe to the rest!
All we appear to have in common here is the sad inability to pay the rent
Suzi
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Phil Hill
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 4:43 am: | |
My linking Mckenzie (I think I should have said Coles - my error in haste) to this thread was in regard to hats. I did not mean to imply - though I can see how my post might be read in retrospect - that she was a JtR victim. I don't think she was. But she did have 2 hats. |
