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Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 393
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 8:12 am: | 
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Hi everyone,
I was watching the end of a programme yesterday and it got me thinking about plumbing. I wondered what the state would have been of plumbing in 1888. I assume poor people did not have much access to very good plumbing - and fitted baths like the rich. Which led me to wonder how JTR washed away the blood etc.
Does that make sense??
Jennifer
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Scott Suttar
Detective Sergeant
Username: Scotty
Post Number: 93
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 8:27 am: |
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Hi Jennifer,
I am just assuming here, I had always thought that plumbing in a house would have been scarce, probably limited to the well to do. There was a famous scene in the Michael Caine telemovie when Abberline & Godley stopped at a public tap. I have always had the impression that in Whitechapel these taps would have been the communal source of water and that most toilets would have been outhouses.
As I say, this is not fact, just my impressions.
Scotty.
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 396
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 9:20 am: |
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Hi Scotty,
Thats what I thought as well. I hadn't noticed the tap in the Tv movie - I wonder if JTR stopped by a one
Jennifer
Uncle Bulgaria,He can remember the days when he wasn't behind The Times.....
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Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1212
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 11:20 am: |
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Jenni,
Pumps and taps could be found on street corners and down alleys and courts. Millers court for example.
There were baths located in Goulston street (which also backed on to the murder site of Claypipe Alice). These were used for washing. Unfortunately the baths were closed (around 11pm I think) when Jack passed through Goulston st after Kates murder. Maybe these baths were the reason he was in Goulston street, maybe he didnt realised they were closed.
Another reason for the graffito ? No doubt someone would find a link.
Monty
Sminky pinky !
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 397
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 1:59 pm: |
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Hi Monty,
Thanks for the info.
If Jack was in Goulston Street looking for baths he sure went a long way - I wonder where the other pumps and taps were. Or perhaps he wasn't bothered. If Jack needed a wash he probably would have been noticed?
Tara me duck!!
Regards
Jenni
Uncle Bulgaria,He can remember the days when he wasn't behind The Times.....
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2610
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 6:20 pm: |
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Hi Jennifer
The water supply was intermittent to say the least, to judge from this Uncle Bulgaria "Times" item of Aug 2nd 1897 :
Robert |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 400
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 7:41 am: |
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Hi
Robert - unlike uncle bulgaria I can see that you are not behind the times. that is a really interesting find.
Thanks
Jennifer
Uncle Bulgaria,He can remember the days when he wasn't behind The Times.....
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Kayleigh Irving
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, June 25, 2004 - 8:16 am: |
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Hi.
Interesting conversation about the plumbing. It might help me come up with an explaination as to why the police failed to catch Jack the Ripper for my A Level coursework. I've got 1000 words for it but I need 1500 more. Can anyone help?
Thanks
Kayleigh |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 428
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 4:16 pm: |
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Hi,
Kayleigh, you've come to the right place...check out the main sight.
Robert,
Do you think JTR had to throw away his apron because the water was off?
Monty,
thinking about it would he make the same mistake teice..perhpas this rules out claypipe alice (doubt it ?)
Jennifer
Uncle Bulgaria,He can remember the days when he wasn't behind The Times.....
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Neil Cooper
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 2:28 pm: |
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I'm pretty sure water, for the poorer parts of London at least, was still from pumps fed by underground reservoirs. I don't know how common these were, probably only a handful in each parish. Thanks to Joseph Bazalgette's sewer system, built 1859-68, London's water was much cleaner by 1888 than it had been for centuries. The last cholera epidemic was in 1866. If anyone wants to know exactly where pumps were, I suspect a good place to look would be the London Metropolitan Archives.
Kayleigh- you're doing this for you A-level???! |
David O'Flaherty
Chief Inspector
Username: Oberlin
Post Number: 675
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 4:35 pm: |
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Thanks for that article, Robert. It brings to mind Mrs. Richardson's pan of "beautiful clean water". It's nice to be in a place where I can take clean water for granted.
Cheers,
Dave |
Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 163
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 8:27 pm: |
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David,
Thank you for bringing Robert's article to my attention - and thank you again, Robert, for yet another interesting and insightful article.
Even in 1920, my grandparents didn't have indoor plumbing - no running water, other than an outdoor pump, nor lav in their rented rooms in the Shepherd's Bush area of London. They raised three children without those conveniences. By 1966 my grandmother, by then widowed, and still living in those rented rooms, at least had a kitchen sink with a cold water tap, but still no indoor loo.
Since my grandmother moved away to live with us in 1970, I've no idea when proper indoor plumbing would have been installed in that building.
I suppose that London, although the capital of England, was a little slow in providing amenities to its "poor".
Bestest,
Lyn
(Message edited by lindsey on January 03, 2005) |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3754
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 6:01 am: |
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Thanks folks. Much appreciated.
Robert |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1774
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 3:03 pm: |
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What dya mean ? Roberts always behind 'The Times'???? Hes always behind 'The Times' looking for a sooper fantastic quote like that one!!!!! Thanks Robert!!!
Suzi |
Gary Tavender
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 7:13 pm: |
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Hi
I was born and raised in the East End and for those of you who don't know the area the Aldgate Pump is still a local landmark in the area - a stone's throw from Mitre Square.
You might also like to look up the Soho cholera outbreak of 1854 which was traced to a stand pump in Broad Street by Dr John Snow.
Regards to All!! |
Desiree
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 5:53 pm: |
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Hey everyone, actually very interesting about the plumbing its making me think about possible reasons why the ripper might/might not have been able to hide possible evidence which could lead to why he wasnt caught. I`m trying to write a short answer to that - Why the ripper was able to avoid capture. I need 300 words, but only have 160. Can anyone help?
Desii x |
Phil Hill
Chief Inspector
Username: Phil
Post Number: 791
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:38 pm: |
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Desiree,
Try:
* luck
* cunning
* knowledge of the area
* never operating far from his "base" (ie always north of Whitechapel Rd) so he could get inside quickly
* he was looked after by "his own people"
* he did not appear particularly bloodstained
* he cleaned up - hands etc - using a rag if necessary (ie apron from Eddowes)
Select any number in any combination.
Phil
Punctuation edited
(Message edited by Phil on September 01, 2005) |
