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Richard Brian Nunweek
Chief Inspector
Username: Richardn

Post Number: 877
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 3:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi,
One of the biggest mysteries is 'How did the killer escape the net?.
I am certain the main reason , apart from obvious luck, was his footware, the report from Bucks row, indicate strongly that Nichols was running from somebody, so breathless, her cries were weak,
yet no sound was heard of chasing footsteps' Running on tiptoe' was the expression used.
I am now of the firm opinion, that the perpretrator wore a rubber shoe, such as canvas, or plimsole type, this would explain how he managed to escape from his activities without any noise being heard, as the sound of heavy footware is more prominent at night.
Detective Whites account of a encounter, with a stranger in a alleyway'[ not pinpointed] indicated that the man was walking swiftly, but was silent in his appoach, fits the bill, exspecially as he also mentioned his eyes, which appeared to glow.
Kelly was reported to have been conversing with a man with'Strange eyes' 36 hours before her death, this may be significant.
Although I am a Barnett believer,The description by White is a stunning likeness of Druitt, and his suicide,not long after millers court, plus the suicide note, would indicate growing madness.
mayby as Farson said on tv, back in the seventies, when showing a picture of Druitt' If you were a prostitute in whitechapel , back in 1888' This man could have killed you' may be not far from the truth....
Regards Richard.
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Natalie Severn
Chief Inspector
Username: Severn

Post Number: 847
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 8:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Richard,I have to admit I havent ruled out Druitt either,although in so many ways its difficult to imagine-his distance from Whitechapel of at least several miles.Also the likelihood of him deluding himself that he is Jack the Ripper especially if he thought he was going mad and that sort of possibility existing.But like you this man who Sgt White claims he saw just seconds before stumbling upon
Kate"s body wearing "soundless shoes" and having "snowy white hands"[from rubbing them with chalk dust?] answers to the look of Druitt so closely as to be a bit uncanny.Druitt could have passed for "foreign looking "too with his dark eyes and hair. The only thing that doesnt match up is the height-well we don"t know Druitt"s height but White thinks the person was about 5ft 10 ins which is taller than the man with the cap seen with Kate some 15 mins before she was found.[and taller than the man seen with Annie in Hanbury Street by Elizabeth Long.
I notice that in the photo of Druitt in Donald Rumbelows book where he is sitting at the front [complete with deerstalker cap] at some cricket function he looks a small man with strong shoulders.In school photos children who are small usually sit at the very front like this but its difficult to say in the case of a Victorian photographer.
I imagine that you are quite correct about the shoes and that they would have been rubber soles.
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Busy Beaver
Police Constable
Username: Busy

Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 12:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The shoes the killer wore may also have had no markings on the bottoms as a couple of the murders were committed during rainy nights. Therefore when he went through covered closes and archways, no foot prints could be seen, unless of course the police didn't think too look for them.
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert

Post Number: 2463
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 1:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi all

On the other hand, footsteps were heard leaving Miller's Court. Also, Morris didn't hear Eddowes walking in Mitre Square - and she wasn't wearing rubber soles.

Robert
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Busy Beaver
Police Constable
Username: Busy

Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 4:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Her boots were probably so well worn, that there wouldn't have been any noise when she walked. It was noted that one of the boots looked liked it had been repaired. New boots would almost certainly have made an echo in an enclosed square, but I guess it would depend on how good your hearing is.

Busy Beaver
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Brad McGinnis
Inspector
Username: Brad

Post Number: 169
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The man seen by Det. White was no doubt Francis Thompson. Hes a smurf or a blip on the Ripper radar screen, but if youre not framiliar with him Id suggest you check him out.
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Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton

Post Number: 199
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 7:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To suppose JTR wore special footwer ais to, I think, miss the point about the type of killer he was.

Wearing special rubber soled boots to evade capture suggests a person who is planning the whole thing to a remarkable degree, JTR wasn't like that. He went out like Son of Sam, looking for someone to kill - when he found one in the right circumstances he killed.

The thing about JTR which we should focus on is that he was one of the crowd, nothing about him stood out. He didn't wear a top hat, carry a gladstone bag or twirl his moustaches. He shuffled along lost in the crowd. He wore ordinary clothes, and probably old army boots, studded with cob nails.

Bob
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert

Post Number: 2490
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 8:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Bob

I have to admit that rain-soaked route march from Romford doesn't seem quite so unlikely if GH was an ex-military man. Nor the standing around waiting.

Have you got any closer to finding him in the records?

Robert

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