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Stanley D. Reid
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Post Number: 330
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 5:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi all,

With the dismal performance of profilers over the past few years, how much longer can they last? I suspect in twenty years they will be gone and nearly forgotten.

Best regards,

Stan
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Steve Swift
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Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 7:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What dismal performance would this be?

Profiling is derived from Psychology and as such is not an exact science.If you had actually ever read anything from a 'profiler' you would of course know this.

I suspect in twenty years they will still be here trying their utmost to solve some appaling crimes....you on the other hand........

Best regards,

Steve
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Stanley D. Reid
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Post Number: 334
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Steve,

Actually, their performance is worse than dismal, it's been harmful. They have led police down the wrong road and away from the true perpetrator with tragic results. I wonder how many more people would still be alive today if they'd not gotten BTK, Derek Todd Lee, Art Shawcross and the D.C. Snipers wrong.

As for me 20 years from now or 50 years from now for that matter, I suspect that I'll still be writing about crime and getting paid for it.

Goodies,

Stan
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
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Registered: 2-2003
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Hi Stan and Steve,

I just wanted to point out, while Bertillion's system is now downplayed part of it is still used in complete identification information (they still make some measurements, but it is like additional information aside from fingerprints). My guess is that they won't totally discard using some form of profiling as an additional set of points for possibly showing a captured criminal's identified method of operation.

My real sweating point is what if some defect still surfaces regarding fingerprinting and DNA.
If these are damaged by some future case (like the Adolph Beck or Will Wright cases that damaged Bertillionage), we're going to have some real problems.

Best wishes,

Jeff
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Stanley D. Reid
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Hi Jeff,

Bertillonage (and I've seen it spelled both ways) was quite a good idea in its time and I can see where it could be of some use today. There have been some challenges to DNA and the all holy fingerprints of late. Even if you accept their assertion that the chance of two people having the same fingerprint is 1:86,000,000,000, that means that there's a 50/50 chance that two people in the history of the world have had the same fingerprints. It would be unlikely, however, that they would both have been alive at the same time.

Best regards,

Stan

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