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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf

Post Number: 2670
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 5:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crow, the carman, was the first person to see the body of Tabram.
He was a bit of a naughty boy though.
Appearing before the beak on May 13th 1895 for a betting scam he was found with a considerate amount of gold and silver in his pockets.
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Chris Phillips
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Cgp100

Post Number: 1517
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Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tabram too? Hadn't realised that - the two victims I was thinking of discovered by carmen were Nichols and Chapman.

I suppose even Diemschutz was driving a cart, but what I'm thinking about is a carman on the way to work...

Chris Phillips

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Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana

Post Number: 821
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a carman a cartman then? A car'man?
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AP Wolf
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Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That makes four then, Chris.
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Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana

Post Number: 822
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 6:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now I got it!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
In Irish mythology, Carman was a goddess of evil magic. Her three sons were Dub ("darkness"), Dother ("evil") and Dian ("violence"). They rampaged through Ireland.

The Tuatha Dé Danann warred against Carman and her sons. Bechuille, a powerful sorceress, was finally able to defeat her. Her sons were killed and Carman was chained, eventually dying of grief.

In historical times a festival named after her, Óenach Carman, was held in Wexford.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carman"

Fits right? Darkness, evil and violence. I'm going to write a book about this, propose a theory and say nasty stuff to anyone who disagrees!

OR
A carman is one who transports goods in a car? that's what a couple of dictionaries said anyway.
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip

Post Number: 796
Registered: 1-2005
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Chris - this is so pedantic it HURTS.

Crow was coming home. It was Reeves who was on his way to work.

Actually it doesn't hurt much at all.

In fact it is rather fun.

Weeeeee!



PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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John Savage
Chief Inspector
Username: Johnsavage

Post Number: 513
Registered: 2-2003
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Hi Diana,

A carman was simply someone in charge of a vehicle making deliveries.

The term continued in use well into the 20th. century and was applied to drivers of delivery trucks.

It may still be in use for all I know.

Hope this helps.

Rgds
John
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Chris Phillips
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Cgp100

Post Number: 1518
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Posted on Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 4:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Philip

Thanks for pointing that out.

As I mentioned, I hadn't been thinking of Tabram, but of Nichols and Chapman, where the bodies were discovered by carmen either getting ready for work or on their way there.

Chris Phillips

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Uriah Hexam
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I thought Crow was a cab driver...

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