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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2940
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 3:56 pm: | 
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Discussion thread for MJ Druitt's gravesite in Wimborne Minster Cemetery.
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Vincent
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 3:55 pm: |
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Does anyone know the location of Druitt's grave, and are there any photos in existance? I was surprised that I couldn't find this information anywhere on the casebook and thought that perhaps the cemetary kept it quiet out of fear of vandalism.
Regards, Vincent |
Andrew Spallek
Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 345
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 1:33 pm: |
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I second Vincent's request. I'm making a visit to London in March and would consider a trip to the cemetery for photos. I think also someone else of relevance to the case is buried at the same cemetery.
Andy S.
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Wolf Vanderlinden
Sergeant
Username: Wolf
Post Number: 42
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 1:49 pm: |
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Montague John Druitt is buried in Wimborne Cemetary, Wimborne, Dorset and not in London. There is a photograph of the grave, a cross on a square pedestal, in Cullen's first edition.
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Andrew Spallek
Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 346
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 3:42 pm: |
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Thanks, Wolf. Is there any chance of getting a lot number or more specific location? How would Wimbourne be from London? Where is it located?
Andy S.
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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2939
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 3:55 pm: |
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Hi Andrew -
Found a short mention of the grave which may help in locating it next time you're down there:
"On the ground by the side of one of the two chapels in Wimborne Minster Cemetery is the simple grave of Montague John Druitt..."
http://www.thedorsetpage.com/history/Jack_the_Ripper/jack_the_ripper.htm
Might help at least to narrow down the search field. (Might also want to check out the grave of King Aethelred I while you're there...)
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2941
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 4:04 pm: |
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There is a tour of sorts of the cemetery at:
http://www.bournemouth.gov.uk/living/Environment/Conservation_Design/Wimborne_Road_Cemetery.asp
It mentions Mayor James Druitt's grave (cousin to Monty), and has a photograph:
I've checked Cullen and this appears to be the very same grave. My guess would be that this is a family, communal grave for the entire Druitt family.
The Celtic cross marking the Druitt grave can be found at [R5 26N].
Cullen seems to indicate that the grave is alongside the "Anglican chapel on the left". The inscription says "In Memory of Mon. Jno. Druitt, December 4, 1888. Aged 31." His parents are buried in a common grave behind him. Next to Monty lies William, his brother, who died in 1909.
Of interest - a "stained-glass window in the south transept" (I assume of the chapel) is a memorial to William Druitt, Monty's father. It was donated by his surviving children in 1892.
(Message edited by admin on January 24, 2004)
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Chris Phillips
Detective Sergeant
Username: Cgp100
Post Number: 148
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 5:59 pm: |
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Isn't there confusion here between Wimborne Road Cemetery, Bournemouth, and the cemetery in Wimborne itself? I think MJD is buried in the latter, and other members of the Druitt family in the former (as pictured above).
Chris Phillips
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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2942
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 6:05 pm: |
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Hi Chris -
You could be right - I wasn't aware that there were two different cemeteries with such similar names. I do know that the photograph above of the Celtic cross grave matches almost exactly that shown in Cullen's book, and indicated as MJD's grave. Still, I suppose that specific form of headstone could have been common in the area.
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1928
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 6:33 pm: |
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Hi Stephen
I thought a Celtic cross was a cross with a circle
around it.
Anyway, there is a photo of Druitt's grave in Farson. I don't know whether or not this is the same photo as Cullen's.
Robert |
Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2943
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 6:55 pm: |
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Hi Robert - Farson's cross and Cullen's both look similar to the one in the shot above - a fairly plain cross on a three-stepped squarish pedestal. But all three photos are taken from different angles and from different distances so its impossible to tell really. I would imagine that both Farson and Cullen had the "right" cross, though I can only read the writing on Farson's photograph.
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Vincent
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:24 am: |
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Thanks for the information and thanks to Stephen for the photograph. I typed in Wimborne cemetary and up came "Jack the Ripper's grave" right away.
Regards, Vincent |
Tanya
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 8:49 pm: |
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Hi, my surname is Druitt and i have an uncle who has the first name of John and i was wondering if anyone has traced MJD's family line at all? |
Christopher T George
Chief Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 580
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 8:33 am: |
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Hi, Stephen:
To confirm, the second URL that you posted, for Wimborne Road Cemetery, Bournemouth, is for the cemetery where we visited at the time of the 2001 UK convention held in Bournemouth. The cemetery contains Abberline's final resting place as well as the graves of a number of Druitts. Suspect Montague John Druitt, however, is buried in Wimborne Minster Cemetery as per the first URL you posted above.
All the best
Chris |
David Howe
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 3:24 pm: |
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Here is a picture of Montague Druitts Grave |
David Howe
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 1:21 pm: |
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David Howe
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 12:55 pm: |
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The interesting thing about Druitts grave is that his internment was 13 times the average cost. The cemetary burial book shows that Druitts internment cost five guineas. The average cost was eight shillings. This could not have been an inducement since the cemetary is non-conformist. Tips were not recorded in the book. It was for internment only.
Given that Druitts relatives believed him to be JTR it is not unreasonable to assume that they may have taken some precautions to protect his grave. This happrned in the case of Dillinger when his family had several tons of concrete placed on the top of his coffin.
Any thoughts ?
I am attempting to upload a pic of Druitts grave. It is not the grave shown above. |
Vincent
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 10:54 am: |
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David, this information regarding the cost of MJD's burial is interesting. May I ask how you came by it? You did not happen to photocopy the relevant information from this "burial book" did you, and if you did can you post it?
Regards, Vincent |
David Andersen
Police Constable
Username: Davida
Post Number: 6
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 2:17 pm: |
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Vincent. No I didn't copy it. I have visited Wimborne many times. I was shown the entry by the cemetery keeper - Ken Richmond many years ago. It is also noted in Richard Whittington-Egans book on JTR. All of the burial books were kept in situ so they could still be available for perusal. |
Vincent
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 2:33 pm: |
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David, thanks for the information.
Regards, Vincent |
Steve
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 2:49 pm: |
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Hi, I was just dropping by, and I'd like to point out that the gravestone posted by David Howe is not MJD's. I am a resident of Wimborne and have been to the cemetary. MJD's gravestone is very small. Much smaller than the one pictured and was a nondescript headstone rather than a cross. |
David Andersen
Detective Sergeant
Username: Davida
Post Number: 71
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:05 am: |
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Hi Steve - Perhaps you should drop by Specsavers!
Not only are you mistaken as to the name of the poster, you are clearly mistaken as to Druitts grave.
Regards
David
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David Andersen
Detective Sergeant
Username: Davida
Post Number: 73
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 4:20 pm: |
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Sorry I do realise that when I posted the first pictures I used an unregistered guest id.
Regards
David
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 697
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 2:59 pm: |
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Possibly quite excited, folks.
Chris mentioned on eBaywatch a couple of weeks ago a property deed from 1898-1900 in the name of Druitt.
I took a chance. It turned up today, I did a bit of searching on Google and I think it is indeed MJD's family.
It is signed in a shaky hand by James Druitt (James Druitt was MJD's cousin, a Mayor of Bournemouth, and died in 1904) and countersigned by an Alan Druitt, solicitor, of Christchurch. IT could be Alan SMITH, but on looking at the document closely, the first letter looks far more like a D than an S and if the final letter is an H it most definitely has made no impression on the actual document.
For you out-of-towners, Christchurch is VERY close to Wimborne in Dorset.
Here's a scan of the signatures.
Can anyone confirm for me?
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Chris Phillips
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Cgp100
Post Number: 1339
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 3:28 pm: |
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Philip
Yes, Alan the solicitor is James's son. (James was Montague's uncle if I understand correctly.)
You can find them both in this outline of the Druitts posted by Stephen Ryder in April 2003:
http://casebook.org/cgi-bin/forum/show.cgi?tpc=4922&post=67527#POST67527
Chris Phillips
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George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 702
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 4:39 pm: |
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Chris - thanks for this. I am SOOOOO pleased!
What a find!
OK... who's most jealous?
PHILIP
PS : Steve's posting shows that James Snr was married at Stoke Church. This is a 15 minute brisk walk from my flat in Guildford!
(Message edited by philip on September 01, 2005)
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