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Courtney Karr
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 8:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sometimes things are so obvious that a person doesn't see them, or even discounts them because they are so obvious.

R St w on one of the Ripper notes is an obvious "signature" to me that the unsophisticated cops back then didn't "see."
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Levent Bekdik
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Hi Everybody,

i'm reading the book of PC and i reached to Chapter 20 with a lot of confusions. It may not be the good idea but i started to make some investigation to find out more about this theory.
Could u pls advise me any other book about this case (hoping that it translated into Turkish for my easier understanding) other than "The Ultimate Jack The Ripper Companion" as recommended by CB ( thank u CB )
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Mark McGlone
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Hi Levant,

I would suggest Philip Sugden's "The Complete History of Jack the Ripper." Don't know if it's translated into Turkish, but it probably is since it's considered by most people to be "THE" Ripper book. And unlike Cornwell, Sugden isn't really peddling his own suspect. This is a big plus in my opinion.

If you prefer a shorter book there's always Donald Rumbelow's The Complete Jack the Ripper.

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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
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Mark,

I don't know; I have a feeling that many of those books about JtR only is available in English; in Sweden, for example, you can't get them even in the original language and they certainly do not exist in Swedish.
The only one we have that has been translated to Swedish is Cornwell's book (unfortunately). Sugden's, Begg's and all the others one has to order through the Internet.
I don't think those books exists in that many foreign editions.

Levant,

Besides Sugden's and Rumbelow's book, I can also recommend Paul Beggs The Facts, which is rather new and fresh. And like Rumbelow's and Sugden's books, it doesn't stress a particular suspect but is rather objective.

My first one was Martin Fido's The Crimes, Detection and Death of Jack the Ripper, which is a very entertaining and well researched book as well, regardless of what you think of it's solution.

All the best

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Frank van Oploo
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Hi Levant,

In addition to the books suggested by Mark and Glenn I would suggest "Jack the Ripper An Encyclopaedia" by John J. Eddleston.

It's rather easy to read, clearly structured and not too long (about 300 pages) and, among other things, contains some useful maps, photos and newspaper articles.

All the best,
Frank
"There's gotta be a lot of reasons why I shouldn't shoot you, but right now I can't think of one."

- Clint Eastwood, in 'The Rookie' (1990)

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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
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Hi Frank,

I've totally missed that one.
Never heard of it.

Sounds interesting -- at least it sounds suitable for a newbie.

All the best
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden

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Frank van Oploo
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Hi Glenn,

Yes, it was my first Ripper book. What I forgot to mention is that it's an objective piece of work and also contains a chapter dealing with a number of misconceptions about the whole case. So, a valuable book, especially to the newbie.

Vi ses!
Frank
"There's gotta be a lot of reasons why I shouldn't shoot you, but right now I can't think of one."

- Clint Eastwood, in 'The Rookie' (1990)

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Mark McGlone
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Wow, "Jack the Ripper An Encyclopaedia" is priced at $75.00 on Amazon! That's amazingly high, especially for a book of only 300 pages. Anybody know why?
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
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Mark,

Where on Amazon did you see that?
They have it in paperback for $12.34.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1843580462/qid=1120226684/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/103-9617769-4482251?v=glance&s=books


I haven't seen it for $75.00, but if there is one for that price, it might be a signed collectible or something, but it sounds a bit over the top. Or else you got the wrong title.

All the best

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Mark McGlone
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Here it is. It's a hardcover and has a few more pages then the one in your link.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1576074145/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_3/102-1670230-2899338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
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Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
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Hi Mark,

Thanks. Strange, that never came up during my search on the American Amazon site.

It IS a baffling high price; the only reason I can see -- with a bit if experience myself in publishing -- could be that the edition and number of copies may be rather small, which makes the price on each copy very high. You see it often in academic and university books, for example.
I can see no other reason for it.

I prefer hardbacks myself, but if one wants a cheaper price, there is always the paperback version, although it seems to be edited down a bit.

All the best
G. Andersson, author/crime historian
Sweden

The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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John Savage
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Hi Mark,

The price of John Eddlestone's book has been commented on before. It seems to be very expensive in the US, but here in the UK the paperback version is easily available at bookshops at the price of 9.99p.

Rgds
John
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Angie
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Glenn, Rumbelow's book has been translated to Swedish and can be found in most libraries.

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D. pegg
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after spending an evening reading through every post, the one thing that sprung to my mind, every time, was this:
whether you believe or disbelieve sickert as being the ripper, i find it surprising over how many of you assume to know him, one way or another, be it as a great artist, or as a murderer.
yes yes...i am well aware that there are people who follow his work like a religion, learning things of his life and musings etc... but still, there is only so much that you can learn of a person who died long ago...none of you know what went on in this mans mind, or WHAT he was capable of, no matter how you interperate his paintings.

and did any of you ever stop to think that, under some miricle evidence, tomorrow the world was told that jack the ripper WAS a michael smith, every last person whom is interested in the ripper case would all say 'oh....right.' and walk off feeling slightly empty and let down with the conclusion?

the sad truth is, you can all sit there arguing over what painting means what to whom, and how long you have been in college learning about walter sickert, or how it is your lifes work to know every last detail about him...the fact of the matter is, none of you will even be able to state for a fact that sickert was or was not the ripper. to me...this is ridiculous... i wasn't aware that any of his relatives or aquaintences were still alive...or is it a miricle?
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Jennifer Pegg
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do i know you?



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Cause my mamma taught me better than that."


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Phil Hill
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D. Pegg - your post adds to the discussion, what?

To this extent the fascination with JtR is a "game". Not I'll admit to the criminologists among us. But to people like me the question of whom he might have been is an intellectual puzzle, worth playing with. the solution is NOT of earth-shattering importance.

But that Sickert was the Ripper - any more than the anonymous "Michael Smith" you mention - there is not a shred of proof. We have known for decades that the murders (and others) fascinated him - he seems to have made no secret of it. Cornwell has indicated that there is some evidence he might have gone as far as writing nuisance letters. But that he was the killer .... nothing (and quite a bit of evidence, such as his absence abroad, to the contrary).

I don't disagree with your post much at all, but if you don't like the game, leave the pitch. No one forces you to become involved.

Phil

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