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Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2661
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 11:43 am: | 
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Yes, and look at the headgear -- a cloth peaked cap??????
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Frank van Oploo
Inspector
Username: Franko
Post Number: 410
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 11:43 am: |
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Great picture Glenn!
But are my eyes playing tricks on me or is Barnett really disguised as a box?
Best,
Frank
"Every disadvantage has it's advantage."
Johan Cruijff
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Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2662
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 11:49 am: |
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Thanks, Frank.
Hehe... are you referring to the white sign on the corner building behind him...? 
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3747
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 12:00 pm: |
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A peaked cap indeed. And you can just make out Hutchinson standing outside the orange-brown building holding a pink umbrella.
Robert |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2664
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 12:10 pm: |
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Robert,
Rats! I missed that one.
Frank,
Did you maybe refer to the beige cardboard box on the pavement to the left? No, that's just Houdini practising.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Frank van Oploo
Inspector
Username: Franko
Post Number: 413
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 12:30 pm: |
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Yes, that's what I was referring to. Ahh, so that's who it is. He still resembles Barnett somewhat though...
Best,
Frank
"Every disadvantage has it's advantage."
Johan Cruijff
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1768
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 2:26 pm: |
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I WAS CONVINCED that was the brolly he came back from Romford under!
Whats that to the front of Joes overcoat tho??? oooooooh eh?
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1769
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 2:30 pm: |
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 RIGHT......................spot the brolly!..........same guy I reckon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xsuzi |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2668
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 2:37 pm: |
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Yes, Suzi!!!!!!!!
But look at the name on the truck!!!!!
Richard never ever seems to get off Barnett's back, is he?
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 1234
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:00 pm: |
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Hi Glenn,
I Forgot about that time of my life, It was proberly early fifties, when i used to acompany my uncle around Whitechapel, although only 4/5 years old i used to observe any suspicious character, that was in the Dorset street area.
The good old days...
Rickard oops sorry Richard. |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2670
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:09 pm: |
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Hi Richard,
The good old days indeed.
I just wish I could have been able to see Dorset Street and other places as they once were, when they existed. Watching that modern car park really didn't give that much and I didn't even take a photo of it. Seemed like rather a waste of effort.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 1236
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:34 pm: |
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Hi Glenn,
I Agree Whitechapel is nothing like its fomer self, however i still get a buz everytime i visit the place, i started off in the sixties when Duval street was intact, and a lot of the sites were atmospheric, i used to walk round the area, as mentioned before do a pilgimage on the exact dates of the murders at the same time, it was a good experience in scaring a 18 year old to death.
However i was a bit young to understand the relevance of it all.
Richard.
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Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2672
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:53 pm: |
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Hi Richard,
"do a pilgrimage on the exact dates of the murders at the same time"
That is actually exactly what I do in connection with the old local murder cases here at home (I annualy take a "anniversary walk" at the same places and at the corret time), or at least one of them. I know the feeling.
But then I am a hopeless romantic and sensitive person, with a flair for atmosphere.
As I've mentioned earlier, I was actually rather blown away by the atmosphere in Gunthorpe Street, which really has an old feel to it.
And although Mitre Square is completely changed and rebuilt, I found it quite creepy -- probably because of the fact that the original cobble stones and layout of the "square" (rather, back yard...) were still there.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 1239
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 4:25 pm: |
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Hi Glenn,
Three experiences stick out from forty years ago , firstly Bucks row[ Durward street] to walk through Brady street at approx 320am, and enter Bucks row a couple of minutes later when the area was deserted, left with the limited knowledge of the case i had. was a scary experince, simply because of the quiteness and the feeling of being alone, i did not feel any presence[ thank god] but it was a fightening event.
Mitre square was completly different then todays commercial workplace, but to walk through the square by yourself on the 30th sept at 130am, freaked me out , because again the feeling of being alone.
But the most memory i have carried with me was walking down Duval street, on a saturday afternoon, not on the anniversary of kellys death. there was activity on the commercial street end[ as it was saturday] however the whole street [ duval] was erie quiet, and so peaceful, it left me feeling a sense of peace, like was unreal.
A weird experience, that has always stayed with me.
Regards Richard. |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1779
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 3:33 pm: |
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Richard
Missed that on the lorry!!!!! WONDERFUL 'eh!!!!!
I MUST agree with you re Mitre Square ...certainly at night but in the daytime too has a terrific atmosphere without a doubt
Suzi |
zxcter
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 11:59 pm: |
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Case for Joe
1)Smooth talker - He somehow talk Mary Kelly to live with him after the second day they've met.
(smooth talk the other victims at critical times?)
2)knows about the door and broken window glass
and possible routines at Miller's Court at different times
Case against Joe
1)Looking at 25 year-old Mary Kelly naked - "No,I'd rather have a 40 year old woman's uterus and entrails"
2)Bringing previous victim's body parts(12ft*12ft.)home early in the morning - a)Joe goes to sleep and snore
b)wake every minute or so,maybe Mary Kelly will discover it - Hey Joe i'm glad you brought food home - (damn_ _ when can i enjoy this alone).
3)Blood in his coat - Hey Joe i'm glad you found job as a fish porter again.
4)reading newspaper to Kelly after murders- Hey Joe didn't you come in around that time - Hey Joe were'nt you out at that time. |
Leanne Perry
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 1628
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 10:46 pm: |
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G'day,
My thoughts:
1) He was earning a good wage. He had a job as a fish porter that he'd held since he left school and could promise Mary kelly a good, clean life, without her having to resort to prostitution. I can't say what he said to 'smooth talk' the other victims, but he was a local familiar face that would have appeared 'safe'.
2) 'knows about the door ...' He certainly knew how to get in that room and how to move back the 'curtain' to check that she was alone.
3) I don't think the Ripper would have worried about the victims age once she was dead, but the fact is that he could have taken any of Mary Kelly's organs, (and could have taken her kidney or uterus), but instead he stole her heart.
4) Why did he have to bring any body parts home with him into the 12x12 room? He had access to hiding spots all over the East End. The murders happened before work so he would have had to hide bits somewhere.
5)'Blood in his coat' How much blood do you think his clothes soaked up? Any traces of blood could have easily been explained.
6) 'reading newspaper to Kelly after murders...' Mary would have naturally had concerns and fears about the times Joe was out, plus any blood spots. Many 'wives' would have but they would have wanted more proof. Maybe her uncertainty was the reason she asked her friends to stay against Barnett's wishes. Maybe that's why he wasn't asked back once Maria Harvey had moved out. Perhaps he realized that his 'game' could've been over soon. and that's why the Ripper murders appeared to have stopped once she was dead.
LEANNE
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Zxcter
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 4:15 am: |
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1)I was saying looking at a living Mary kelly and instead prefered a dead 40 year old woman's uterus and entrails.(previous murders)
2)I believe he took body parts for a private time with it, for a bizzare reason,not hide it,come back and take risks again.
3)He must have some amount of blood.Explain blood when you don't have a job? Several different days? Maybe early in the morning?
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zxcter
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 8:31 am: |
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Another case against Joe
-Joe is thinking-I could kill Mary on Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday or Thursday,but no Friday or the weekends is better.. |
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