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Edgar Hadley
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 6:02 pm: | 
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Hi,
I thought I would create this light hearted thread with the sole purpose of
venting some of the frustrations the Ripper case causes us with its all too abundant missing information
and dead end lines of investigation.
So here is my top ten "If onlys":
1.If only we knew Mary Kelly's real name
2.If only Caroline Maxwell had been taken to view Mary Kelly's corpse.
3.If only Israel Schwartz hadn't run off.
4.If only we knew why Walter Dew's description of MJK was nothing like
that of the body found in Millers court.
5.if only we knew whether Caroline Maxwell ever saw the same "Mary Kelly" after
The inquest.
6.If only Victorian streets had been better lit.
7.If only Polly Nichols had been satisfied with earning her "Doss money" just once.
8.If only we had Photographs of more of the Victims,taken before they were killed.
9.If only Dave hadn't stopped his wife from borrowing MJK'S shawl.
10.If only Albert Cadoche had taken a look over the fence.
Ahhhh well....
Edgar |
Andrew Spallek
Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 396
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 1:24 pm: |
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Not ranked in strict order, but:
1. If only Cadosh had looked over the fence.
2. If only Lewande had got a better look and were willing to testify.
3. If only the police had photographed the graffito.
4. If only Diemschultz were two minutes earlier.
5. If only Charles Cross were 10 minutes earlier.
6. If only PC Watkins were 5 minutes quicker on his rounds.
7. If only someone had investigated Mary Kelly's cry of "Oh, murder!"
8. If only fingerprint evidence were accepted in 1888.
9. If only we knew for certain who was identified by whom at he "Seaside Home."
10. If only we knew for sure what was bugging Druitt so much that he committed suicide when he did.
Andy S.
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2120
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 3:05 pm: |
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Just one. If only Cornwell had been alive in 1888 to solve the case. Then she'd be dead now.
Hm! I think I still need a few more words.....
Robert |
Richard Brian Nunweek
Chief Inspector
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 704
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 3:52 pm: |
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Hi Robert,
Thats cruel, she is only guilty of free enterprise
If only Kelly could tell me , i have been a silly boy ,for the past thirty years, thinking her boyfriend killed her.
Richard. |
Chris Michetti
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 4:30 pm: |
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1. If only Mary Miniter's description of "C. Kniclo" was trustable/accurate...
2. If only the police had kept Eddowes overnight at the station.
3. If only the top floor of the East River Hotel didn't have a way out.
4. If only we could read a few more letters on that ripped envelope.
5. If only we knew for certain which killings were done by him and which weren't.
That's all I can think of, have a nice day  |
remoter
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 4:10 pm: |
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if only jack's relations with family of victim would not have made the crime (a coverup decoy )necessary;and if only victims job with royalty had been suspected. |
Mark Andrew Pardoe
Inspector
Username: Picapica
Post Number: 204
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 5:28 pm: |
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Whatho all,
If only Jack hadn't bought a knife and taken up stamp collecting instead.
About what would we be writing?
Cheers, Mark
Another three words |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2122
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 5:40 pm: |
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Hi Mark
We'd be asking "Who disembowelled Eddowes with a letter opener?"
Or then again, maybe we wouldn't, seeing as how I need another fourteen words.
Robert |
Sarah Long
Chief Inspector
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 669
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 4:37 am: |
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There's only one "if only" I can think of that sums up all the others.
If only we knew who Jack the Ripper was.
Short and sweet.
Sarah |
Jason Scott Mullins
Detective Sergeant
Username: Crix0r
Post Number: 111
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 1:52 pm: |
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1) If only we could place the time of death more accurately for some of the victims.
2) If only we knew more about the victims and their relatives. Also, where they were on the dates in question.
3) If only records didn't go missing. This still bothers me to the nth degree.
4) If only I could get a unified theory of everything and then build a time machine.
5) If only the people who knew something came forward. The truth, shall set you free!!
I think that's about it for me. Coming in a little late, all the good ones have been taken
crix0r |
Michael Raney
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mikey559
Post Number: 112
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 1:41 pm: |
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Jason,
You had mine! "If only the people that knew something came forward." that is my one and only what if. But I need more words.
Mikey |
Jason Scott Mullins
Detective Sergeant
Username: Crix0r
Post Number: 118
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 2:07 pm: |
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Hi Michael -
Yeah. I know it isn't a popular opinion but I just don't see this guy walking away with out someone seeing him, hearing him, or knowing what he was up to. This topic, however, is for another thread. Perhaps I should create one?
crix0r |
Erin Sigler
Police Constable
Username: Rapunzel676
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 3:32 pm: |
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Everyone has already said the ones I would have suggested. I think the loss (not to mention destruction) of so many potentially crucial documents and other pieces of evidence (the piece of Eddowes' apron, the GSG) is the greatest difficulty I've encountered with this case. I'd also have to include the unwillingness of the police to try new methods that were available to them at the time, particularly photography, fingerprinting, and the dogs. Finally, I wish that those in positions of authority in the case had been chosen not on breeding but on merit. If that had been the case, chances are this web site wouldn't exist. |
Peter Sipka
Sergeant
Username: Peter
Post Number: 13
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 12:22 am: |
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Didn't see anybody say this:
1) If only we knew who Jack the Ripper was
Peter |
Pippa Moran
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 4:18 am: |
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Peter said:
"If only we knew who Jack the Ripper was"
(*delurks*)
Oh, no. That should be the last thing we want. The Ripper would become trapped in the realm of facts, and we'd be denied the freedom to speculate and find our own personal Rippers which match our own personal likes, dislikes and tastes.
There are already too many facts being imposed on us in the world as it is. Let's make make life worse by dragging them into the Ripper case too.
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A. Bunker
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 3:44 am: |
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If only photography had been more advanced in 1888.
If only all police officers involved wrote extensivly on the Ripper investigation and all documents, photographs, and memoirs survived.
If only a photograph of Kosminski existed.
If only a genuine diary could be found.
If only the Lusk kidney was preserved to this day.
If only we knew what the "private information" was from Druitt's family.
If only some physical evidence would have been discovered (like the murder weapon, the killer's gloves, or a bloody footprint).
If only the eyewitness discriptions matched.
If only the two police departments weren't rivals.
If only I could crack the case, write a book, and get rich.
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A. Bunker
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 3:44 am: |
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If only photography had been more advanced in 1888.
If only all police officers involved wrote extensivly on the Ripper investigation and all documents, photographs, and memoirs survived.
If only a photograph of Kosminski existed.
If only a genuine diary could be found.
If only the Lusk kidney was preserved to this day.
If only we knew what the "private information" was from Druitt's family.
If only some physical evidence would have been discovered (like the murder weapon, the killer's gloves, or a bloody footprint).
If only the eyewitness discriptions matched.
If only the two police departments weren't rivals.
If only I could crack the case, write a book, and get rich.
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Busy Beaver
Sergeant
Username: Busy
Post Number: 46
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 7:23 am: |
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My top 10 "If Only"'s
1) If only Caroline Maxwell saw MJK's Body
2) If only Mrs Pickett went to stop MJK singing
3) If only witnesses told the truth
4) If only Catherine Eddowes went to the police about her suspicions
5) If only The police constables were a bit quicker on their beats
6) If only Albert Cadosh looked over the fence
7) If only Joe Barnett provided a more substantial alibi on the night of Thursday 8th.
8) If only they used the Bloodhounds
9) If only police records did not go missing
10)If only Sarah Lewis saw MJK and the mystery (Hutch's) man.
Busy Beaver  |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 413
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 8:38 pm: |
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If only...
1) Some document turned up showing Deeming and Cream knew each other and gave each other alibis.
2) Lewis Carroll left an unpublished manuscript decrypting his various word games and showing he was busy with some logic problems on the nights of the Whitechapel Murders.
3) Florence Maybrick left a package of documents with her lawyer, Sir Charles Russell, suggesting that there was a conspiracy involving Mr. Justice Stephen, his son James Kenneth, and Sir William Gull to pin the Whitechapel Murders on her husband Jim.
4) George Chapman confided to some friend that the only thing he did not understand was why some young street urchin he gave a glass of water to pretended to drink it but ran off (it was Charlie Chaplin, supposedly).
5) Sir Charles Warren carried an instamatic with him to photograph graffiti he came across.
6) Elizabeth Stride had decided to remain in Sweden.
7) Sir Robert Anderson had a less stringent standard about not revealing important details about police activities he was privy to, when he wrote about them.
8) Monty Druitt's last week of existance was better known to us.
9) Somebody asked Tumblety what he did know about Lincoln's Assassination
10)We knew more about Mary Kelly's family and background.
Jeff Bloomfield |
Tiddley boyar
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 1:28 pm: |
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If only I had a time machine.......
....a twisted mind .....a big gun.
I only have one of the items unfortunately.
What games I could have with Jack.
Still dream on, it's back to the time machine I suppose.
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ex PFC Wintergreen
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 9:33 am: |
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Top ten if only’s.
1. If only Jack the Ripper had taken photos of himself cutting up his victims while pulling the fingers or pointing to certain bits of them like in the recent Iraqi molestation affair.
2. If only every suspect that wasn't Jack the Ripper had written a biography of themselves that was corroborated by every member of every police force, and their families and their families friends.
3. If only Sickert was born in a different country altogether and spent all his life in a Spanish prison so no one could ever possibly suggest he's a viable suspect and the Moronic, sorry I mean Masonic plot could never be born.
4. If only Jack the Ripper accidentally sliced his hand off whilst unlocking Mary Kelly's door through the window.
5. If only Jack the Ripper accidentally engraved his signature into one of his victims.
6. If only one of the inhabitants surrounding the back of 29 Hanbury street put their head out the window and shouted "Oi, keep that noise down out there, some of us are trying to sleep!"
7. If only on the 29th of September Jack the Ripper had his pockets crammed with M&Ms and that they trickled out of his pocket throughout the night leaving a trail of where he had been, proving whether or not he killed Stride or wrote the graffiti.
8. If only the photographer was successful is capturing the Ripper's image from Mary Kelly's eyeballs.
9. If only instead of running off, Israel Schwartz had walked menacingly up to the assailants saying "Allo, allo, allo, what's all this then?"
10. If only whilst leaving Kelly's apartment Jack walked into the bedside table, tripped over it, flew across the room, breasts and bowels a-flying, fell teeth first into a wall and was discovered the next morning unconscious with a knife in his hand and a smile on his face.
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ex PFC Wintergreen
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 8:11 am: |
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IF ONLY:
1. Jack the Ripper had taken photos of himself cutting up his victims while pulling the fingers or pointing to certain bits of them like in the recent Iraqi molestation affair.
2. Every suspect that wasn't Jack the Ripper had written a biography of themselves that was corroborated by every member of every police force, and their familes and their families friends.
3. Sickert was born in a different country altogether and spent all his life in a Spanish prison so no one could ever possibly suggest he's a viable suspect and the Moronic, sorry I mean Masonic plot could never be born.
4. Jack the Ripper accidentally sliced his hand off whilst unlocking Mary Kelly's door through the window.
5. Jack the Ripper accidentally engraved his signature into one of his victims.
6. One of the inhabitants surrounding the back of 29 Hanbury street put their head out the window and shouted "Oi, keep that bloody noise down out there, some of us are trying to sleep!"
7. On the 29th of September Jack the Ripper had his pockets crammed with M&Ms and that they trickled out of his pocket throughout the night leaving a trail of where he had been, proving whether or not he killed Stride or wrote the grafitti.
8. The photographer was sucessful is capturing the Ripper's image from Mary Kelly's eyeballs.
9. If instead of running off, Israel Schwartz had walked menacingly up to the assailants saying "Allo, allo, allo, what's all this then?"
And finally,
10. Whilst leaving Kelly's apartment Jack walked into the bedside table, tripped over it, flew across the room, breasts and bowels a-flying, fell teeth first into a wall and was discovered the next morning unconcious with a knife in his hand and a smile on his face. |
Stuart
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 6:32 pm: |
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1. If only Chapmans, Strides and Eddows rings or other person belongings were ever found and could be traced.
2. If only Swartz had had the guts to punch the Sh*t out of the man he saw assaulting Stride. He would have saved Stride, Eddow's and Kelly and caught the ripper. I would not have thought twice about it.
3. If only the Maybrick diary was real
4. If only the best evidence ( Eddows apron and kidney, Lusk letter, original reports ect) didnt happen to just coincidently vanish.Hmmmmmm.
5. If only a witness came foward and saw the ripper after the murder fleeing the seen - they all saw him only before the murders.
6. If only Pat Cornwall new the difference between fiction and reality. |
