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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2161
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 4:27 pm: | 
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Madge was intimately involved with the 'Globe' and 'People' during the LVP, and then later with the evening newspaper, the 'Sun'.
But I was interested to see the following quote in his obituary:
'The first to realize that the first two Jack the Ripper murders were committed by the same man.' |
Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 634
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 9:55 am: |
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Is there any indication whether they were talking about Tabram and Nichols or Nichols and Chapman? |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1525
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 10:44 am: |
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Hi AP and Diana
Because the obituary on Madge was published January 31, 1927, in The Times, nearly a full 40 years after the murders, it's hard to know what to make of this statement.
Was the idea that Madge was "the first to realize that the first two 'Jack the Ripper' murders in East London were committed by the same man" something that Madge believed about himself or was this generally accepted in the newspaper community and even by the police?
If the latter is so, are we to imply that Madge voiced his suspicion early on, in 1888, with the view being accepted at the time by the police? Since we appear to have no other source that makes this claim for Madge, it is difficult to assess.
At the least, Madge's idea could have been only one of many opinions expressed at the time of the Whitechapel murders and it remains a mystery why he should get the "credit" for coming to the conclusion that the first two murders were done by the same hand.
Diana, you make a good point in wondering which two murders are meant since the newspaper count of murders was more than the canonical five, began before Nichols, and ended after Kelly.
All my best
Chris
(Message edited by ChrisG on June 06, 2005)
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Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 698
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 2:33 pm: |
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It almost has to refer to Emma Smith and Martha Tabram, doesn't it? I suppose I could see someone making an argument that it meant Smith and the mythical prostitute that never existed (who would later be given the name "Fairy Fay"). By the deaths of Nichols and especially Chapman the concept that it was the same killer at work was old news, right or wrong.
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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2166
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 3:51 pm: |
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Thanks Diana & Chris
As yet I have not been able to put a date on this claim, but I will.
Madge is an interesting chap though, and I was interested to see him being hauled up before the ‘Beak’ in June of 1901 for a breach of the peace and impeding a police officer about his lawful duty.
This was a right fracas!
Apparently what happened was that Madge’s son, Percy, punched a woman at a meeting, was ejected from the meeting by a friendly chap whom Percy then threatened to punch, not realizing the friendly chap was a professional pugilist.
Said professional pugilist knocked out Percy with a single blow - and broke his nose - and when the police attempted to arrest Percy, WT Madge stepped in with a crowd on his side, pulled the policeman’s cape off and generally attempted to prevent the arrest of his son. When reinforcements arrived everyone was dragged off to the nick.
Once in the station, Madge attempted to influence the arresting inspector by throwing important names of senior officers from Scotland Yard who were his ‘friends at him, but said arresting inspector was having none of it and nicked him bang to rights.
Madge and son Percy were fined twenty quid and bound over to keep the peace for six months.
So his friends at Scotland Yard must have helped him, because Percy should have got two months hard labour, and Madge at least a week inside. |
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