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Diana
Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 347
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 2:19 pm: |       |
There have been a lot of theories about this.
His relatives got him locked up and he escaped long enough to do Kelly before they caught him again.
He was a sailor and his ship wasnt in port then.
He was arrested for something else and locked up for a month.
He got some kind of nasty infection from pawing around inside dead bodies and was sick for a month.
The increased patrols, vigilance committee, etc scared him off for a month.
Is there a way to see if there were atrocities anywhere else in England during that month? |
Lindsey Millar
Detective Sergeant
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 56
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 6:35 pm: | |
Diana,
This is going years back, but I still wonder whether Jack's lull wasn't because he got blood poisoning from cutting himself at Eddowes' murder.
Call me crazy.
Bestest,
Lyn |
Diana
Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 349
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 8:04 pm: | |
Not crazy at all, Lyn, we discussed that very theory about 8 years ago. |
Ken Proctor
Detective Sergeant
Username: Gizmo
Post Number: 60
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 8:28 pm: | |
Hey everyone needs a vacation.why would jack be different.
"Hey Rookie----You were good" (Field Of Dreams) |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 498
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 8:58 pm: | |
I once suggested a crazy idea to my doctor but he just looked at me as though I was a nut and I dropped it. The idea is similar to the infection from an accidental cut. Mine was that the letter to George Lusk was true, that the Ripper ate half of that diseased kidney to show his character. Unfortunately the diseased kidney caused a bad intestinal reaction that almost killed him. When he was taken to the hospital (whichever it was) he was unable to explain what meat he ate that caused it (how could he, without revealing who he was). He barely survived, and (being the type of creep he was) he doesn't blame himself but the whores he kills. Full of pent up rage, he goes out on the first night he can (November 8, 1888), and (as ill luck has it) finds Mary Kelly - upon whom his rage is fully spent.
Well, it will do as well as any other possible explanation we have, give the paucity of our information.
Jeff |
Lindsey Millar
Detective Sergeant
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 57
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 9:20 pm: | |
So, say Jack got bloodpoison from a cut maybe at Eddowes' murder?
Bestest,
Lyn |
Lindsey Millar
Detective Sergeant
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 60
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 10:03 pm: | |
Diana,
Was it really that long ago?? The years are getting away with me!
Bestest,
Lyn |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 11:27 am: | |
Hi Lyn and Diana
I don't think the blood poisoning discussion was as long as eight years ago. I believe (although the mind plays tricks) I have only been on this site since 1998, six years ago, and the first U.S. Ripper convention was Spring 2000. I would venture to say that discussion took place around 1999 or so, five years ago.
All the best
Chris
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1548
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 12:58 pm: | |
Five victims, four murder dates, three lengths in between murder dates
The intervals are (in CLEAR days between)
1)Between Nichols and Chapman - 7 days
2)Between Chapman and the "double event" - 21 days
3) between the "double event" and Kelly murder - 39 days
It may be narrowing the possibilities to assume that external events forced on Jack the timetable that the murders took. It seems to me that two other aspects may have played just as important a point - namely, inclination and opportunity. Who can know (or would want to!) what inner motives drove jack to kill when he did? If the killings and mutilations were prompted by the demons of some inner compulsion, maybe the extent or, in his terms, the "success" of each venture may have stilled those voices inisde him for while. It may not be coincidence that the longest gap followd the glut of the double event.
Chris
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 1133
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 4:29 pm: | |
Hi Chris,
I have heard of the 39 before, must be a coincedence?......
Richard. |
Dan Norder
Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 363
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 9:28 pm: | |
Hi Chris (Scott),
There are lots of ways to represent those numbers to try to wring significance out of them. One is a straight look at the days between murders. Another might be to note that the interval between nights of murders tripled between Chapman and Stride/Eddowes but didn't even double between Stride/Eddowes and Kelly.
And if we go by the inclination notion, perhaps it would be more telling to list:
Nichols (no organs) to next killing: 7 days
Chapman (got uterus) to next killing: 21 days
Stride (no organs) to next killing: same night
Eddowes (got uterus and kidney) to next killing: 39 days
MJK (got heart and carnage beyond belief) to next killing: ???
But then there are lots of different ways to frame the same information to advance different theories.
Dan Norder, editor, Ripper Notes |
Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1552
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 9:39 am: | |
Hi Dan
I agree and I was listing the intervals to show that, in my opinion, there is no signifivance to be wrung from them and no theory to be advanced just on the basis of the timing of the murders.
I was just saying that some theories place too much emphasis on external events such as those listed in the first post in this thread rather then the unknowable internal mental processes that drove the killer or the simply random workings of opportunity
All the best
Chris |
Diana
Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 353
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 11:24 am: | |
Eight years was a wild guess on my part which is why I qualified it with an "about". It was on the old boards and I believe involved input from some doctors, (Dr. Ind?). |
Dan Norder
Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 366
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 2:29 pm: | |
Hi Chris,
Yes, I got your intention, sorry if I was unclear on that.
To go along with your point, how do we know that Jack wasn't out once a week chatting up prostitutes to try to set one up for a kill and mutilation, only to not find a solid opportunity? Or perhaps Jack was wondering around aimlessly making time with prostitutes when he could until one happened to make fun of him or otherwise set him off?
Whether Jack was well organized or disorganized and striking when already in a particular situation there could be a substantial amount of pure randomness in the dates.
And, since it sort of came up, that inherent randomness means that to assume he specifically picked those nights and only those nights to kill on (for whichever theory that'd be, "39" or "40" -- was it 40 that Scott Medine was using? -- Mason meetings, specific saints' days, or whatever) and then actually succeeding on every night he tried suggests a level of control that even the most organized killer would have been quite hard-pressed to accomplish.
Dan Norder, editor, Ripper Notes |
Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 624
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 9:25 am: | |
I suppose we will never know the reason for this long interval. I believe the simplest suggestion is that the killer became terrified after almost being caught twice on the night of the double murder. This caused him to "lay low" for over a month and to abandon altogether outdoor killings.
Andy S.
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