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Eric Skinner
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Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Everyone,
I have a question and I apologize in advance if it's one that is common knowledge. In his interview on this site, Donald Rumbelow says that the murder rate in the East End was around one per year and that murder was not common. Not that I would doubt Rumbelow's word, I mean, he's Donald Rumbelow, but does anyone else have information on this? I've told several people this and have basically been told that I don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks in advance for your help.
Eric Skinner
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Brad McGinnis
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Post Number: 162
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eric, The East End was a rough place but murder didnt happen often. It was a community like any other, but it derived its reputation mainly from those who lived outside it. I suggest you read "People of the Abyss" by Jack London and also check some of the statistics posted here by Chris Scott, our resident research maven. In 1887 there were NO knife murders in WC. This alone makes me believe that two knife wielding killers in a single quarter square mile is unlikely. Enjoy the site, if its worth knowing...its here. Brad
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Eric Skinner
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Brad,
Thanks very much for the feedback. I'll check out the person you mentioned and pass this along to the people I've been chatting with about the case. You're right, this site is a treasure trove. Thanks again,
Eric
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Leanne Perry
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Post Number: 1279
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 5:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

G'day Eric,

The only statistic list of deaths that I've seen, say that there were no homicides in Whitechapel during the year 1887. There was alot of disease and accidental death.

LEANNE
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Eric Skinner
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Hi Leanne,
Much appreciated. It's amazing that there was no murder in that area for a whole year. Thanks again.
Eric
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Robert Charles Linford
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Post Number: 2312
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 3:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Eric

This came up before. I'm only going from hazy memory here, but I've an idea it turned out that there were murders, but as these were not committed by Whitechapel residents as opposed to outsiders, the figures became distorted.

The info may be somewhere under "General Discussion - General Discussion Archive 2003". I can't seem to open it up.

Robert
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Andy and Sue Parlour
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Username: Tenbells

Post Number: 113
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello Rob,
During the research for our book, surprisngly murder was uncommon in the East End, although plenty of deaths were recorded. Most of the deaths were put down to accidental reasons or natural causes. I genuinely believe these reasons were given as a cover, so as not to expose the Police and authorities incompetence in not being able to solve most of them as criminal acts.

AS
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Stephen P. Ryder
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Post Number: 3039
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Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alex Chisholm has been kind enough to send along an article on this very topic, for inclusion on the Casebook. You can now find it online at: http://casebook.org/dissertations/dst-statistical.html

Thanks again Alex!
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Robert Charles Linford
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Username: Robert

Post Number: 2331
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Alex and Stephen. Very interesting article, Alex.

So as Andy says, it may not have been so murder-free after all.

Robert
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Eric Skinner
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Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My sincere thanks to everyone who responded and helped me out. I really appreciate it.

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