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Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 428
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 11:15 am: | 
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Hi,
I have just watched a programme called Guilty or Innocent. This episode dealing with the case of Nancy smith and Joseph Allen. From what I have seen and read about this case it would appear that a massive injustice has been done.
I would urge you to go to this site:
http://members.shaw.ca/imaginarycrimes/smith&allen.htm
and read about the case for yourself.
If you agree that an injustice has been done perhaps you will do what I am doing and write to Nancy Smith to show your support.
Her address is:
Nancy Smith
#W034304
c/o Ohio Reformatory for Women
1479 Collins Ave.
Marysville, OH 43040
Many thanks
Bob Hinton |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3335
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 10:12 am: |
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Hi Bob-
Have read and re- read this case since you posted and am put,as you said, very much in mind particularly of the Orkney/Cleveland cases re the alleged Satanic abuse etc etc .
However,despite the fact that I have to detatch myself from thinking of 'The Crucible', the undoubted injustice screams out here!
Angel Powell, (a name indeed),is I feel, IMHO the link here,whatever her relationship with Joseph Allen,something doesn't sit right with her statement.
Now,as to the jurors commenting that children DONT lie about these matters and details...In most cases this is true,but this isn't the Orkney or Cleveland case were talking about here,it's of a climate where Mothers rehearse their offspring to pick out 'guilty' citizens,for reasons best known to themselves,but with disasterous effect.
I have worked with children involved in cases such as this and although MOST of the time children stick to the facts, there are cases ,where children,either owing to fear,confusion or pressure of some kind, will invent 'facts' which somehow seem to be incredibly believable to jurors. Why this should be,is worrying...maybe it's what the jurors would prefer to believe,that the dastardly defendant is a child abusing satanist,rather than someone who under the amount of press coverage and demonisation (!),rather than an innocent person,caught up in something that has taken on a life of its own.
I am writing to Nancy,not with any thoughts as to the case but merely as a letter of support and to offer the hand of friendship and as someone on the end of a letter
Come on everyone,this poor woman needs every sort of support,love and friendship she can get
Suzi |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 430
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:23 am: |
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Dear Suzi,
I couldn't agree more. It was also very disturbing to hear the taped transcripts of the interview with one of the children.
She was asked repeatedly if she was touched by Nancy and Joseph and she kept saying no she wasn't.
She was even asked if they had touched her in a bad place or on her privates. She again denied this. The tape was switched off. When it was switched on again the little girl now answered 'Yes' to all the questions she had previously answered 'no' to.
A more blatant case of coercion I have yet to hear about.
Bob |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3342
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:30 pm: |
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Dear Bob-
I must say here that in the cases where children have been questioned here re 'private' or 'bad 'parts'they invariably speak the TRUTH 100%.. its only when they are questioned re details they don't understand they become confused........they know inherently what is 'bad' and will make a comment that it was BAD....have no doubt about that, but when questioned there is often a confusion.........usually through lack of knowledge (thank God ) or parental coercion.
The West children eventually however 'coughed' but I think this is a different case...in the 'family' is a lot more frightening than these two (as I see it ) detatched people coupled by something I feel that was outside their relationship, by a deal of coniving by people outside of the case...for what reason who knows
Hope that made sense!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3343
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:51 pm: |
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Dear Bob-
Have been through 'Happy like Murderers' by Gordon Burn again for some rather 'strong' comments by Fred and Rose's children various...the fact that a lot of unspeakable things were done to the children......they thought it 'normal'......now this says a lot about Fred and Rose of course ,but it does say a lot about how children feel things to be 'normal'.....if brought up in such an unspeakable home as F and R .....BUT the 'average' child has an inbuilt thing about what is 'nice' and 'not nice' shall we say !There are thing that a child doesn't have the language to describe, but just knows it's BAD
NOW WITHOUT COERTION THAT CHILD WOULD HAVE SAID JUST THAT!!!
Sorry chaps!!! Just wanted to say have a look again at this case......
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3344
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:52 pm: |
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Coercion even!!!!!! sorry about that!!!!!!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3354
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 3:58 pm: |
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Oh well looks like there's just the two of us here!!!!!
Sad though
Suzi |
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